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Jmanghan
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Besides Thrawn...

Is Darth Vader the Empire's greatest military leader?

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Either he or Tarkin.

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Strategy vs Tactics

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In terms of fleet? Since that's Thrawn's shtick...yeah.(Unless I've missed where he's also commanded ground forces.)

Overall though, in both Fleet & Ground, Vader should be the best yeah.

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Vader is seen to be a puppet of both Tarkin and Sidious in the OT. Don't know what you're talking about.

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It doesn't mean they're better tacticians then him... :/

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Vader is seen to be a puppet of both Tarkin and Sidious in the OT. Don't know what you're talking about.

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In terms of fleet? Since that's Thrawn's shtick...yeah.(Unless I've missed where he's also commanded ground forces.)

Overall though, in both Fleet & Ground, Vader should be the best yeah.

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I would say he is second only to thrawn. I mean palpatine did make him the leader of the empire's military, in legends anyway.

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I would say he is second only to thrawn. I mean palpatine did make him the leader of the empire's military, in legends anyway.

Which wouldn't make him 2nd to Thrawn, if he's leader of all Imperial Forces this would make him number 1.

Now I surmise that Jman, you were asking Fleet wise. Then yeah Vader would probably be the 2nd, given how ridiculously hax Thrawn is at it.

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Which wouldn't make him 2nd to Thrawn, if he's leader of all Imperial Forces this would make him number 1.

Now I surmise that Jman, you were asking Fleet wise. Then yeah Vader would probably be the 2nd, given how ridiculously hax Thrawn is at it.

I was not speaking of rank, I was saying he was inferior to thrawn when it came to strategy and tactics.

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I was not speaking of rank, I was saying he was inferior to thrawn when it came to strategy and tactics.

Yeah in terms of Fleet sure.

But overall in both Fleet & Ground, Vader is the superior leader, which would make him overall the greatest since he's not a sole focused one.

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if you look at it that way, then possibly, yes. i am still inclined to think that thrawn is more intelligent when it comes to war, in any way shape or form. i could see thrawn directing ground attacks, personally, but he probably never would.

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I would say he is second only to thrawn. I mean palpatine did make him the leader of the empire's military, in legends anyway.

By Legends, a lot of people are > Vader.

Palpatine's playing Vader against people all the time. Even the recent Darth Vader comic has him subordinate to fleet admiral's, intelligence operatives and such (Palpatine burdened him with handlers, for crying out loud.)

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No. In legends, by the time of ESB, Vader is the Supreme Commander.

In the DV comics he is made subordinate to Tagge (and only Tagge) as punishment for the Death Star's destruction. Of course, by the end he is once more in Palpatine's favor and outranks (and kills) Tagge.

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No. In legends, by the time of ESB, Vader is the Supreme Commander.

In the DV comics he is made subordinate to Tagge (and only Tagge) as punishment for the Death Star's destruction. Of course, by the end he is once more in Palpatine's favor and outranks (and kills) Tagge.

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Vader is seen to be a puppet of both Tarkin and Sidious in the OT. Don't know what you're talking about.

Vaders official title is Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces... he's legit second in command... the Emperor sent him to the Death Star as an observer, Tarkin had tactical command there but Vader still technically outranked him.

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By Legends, a lot of people are > Vader.

Within the Empire?

I can really only see Piett and Veers as being even close to Vader in their respective fields of command, not his superior. Piett could possibly be the 2nd best Fleet Commander aside from Thrawn, given it's noted he rivaled all 12 of the Grand Admirals.

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