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Is the whole 'trained from birth' thing overhyped?
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Zenwolf
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Is the whole 'trained from birth' thing overhyped?

I see this thrown around sometimes like it's some kind of argument...the same time though I don't really get why it's something to bring up.

So X is trained since birth.....why exactly is this important?

Clone Troopers and Jedi were trained since birth, yet they can get killed by droids, by beasts, by natives, by other troopers, etc and so on.

So...I don't get this 'trained from birth' thing which apparently means > to any other trooper/person/whatever, because....reasons.

If there's any kind of edge to any person being trained since birth, it would be pretty negligible because there's only so much one can actually learn before it becomes redundant, when you have those trained with less time than birth that could match or exceed them. Ontop of that, there's also not taking into account of advances in training techniques and so on as time passes by. Or not taking into account what others have also learned that could be completely different and still come out ontop against the one trained from birth.


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Everything is overhyped.


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It doesn't affect their skill. Its how fast they react naturally to certain situations.

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Just because someone is trained from birth means they're invincible. There is always someone who is faster, more skilled and experienced. I know this example isn't from SW, but was Al Sah-Him aka Oliver Queen aka Green Arrow more skilled than Ra's al Ghul? Oliver had to deceive Ra's just to kill him in their final duel. Oliver was already quite a capable fighter with training from Yao Fei, Shadow, Slade Wilson & Talia al Ghul.

Back to the SW, cs zoltan is correct in his assessment that raised from birth is overhyped. But it is extremely helpful in combat situations.


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Just because someone is trained from birth, means they're invincible. There is always someone who is faster, more skilled and experienced. I know this example isn't from SW, but was Al Sah-Him aka Oliver Queen aka Green Arrow more skilled than Ra's al Ghul? Oliver had to deceive Ra's just to kill him in their final duel. Oliver was already quite a capable fighter with training from Yao Fei, Shadow, Slade Wilson & Talia al Ghul.

Back to the SW, cs zoltan is correct in his assessment that raised from birth is overhyped. But it is extremely helpful in combat situations.


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Zenwolf
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It doesn't affect their skill. Its how fast they react naturally to certain situations.


Which still falls under their training, which still doesn't really seem to help much against those with less training time that can still beat or match them.


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Just because someone is trained from birth, means they're invincible. There is always someone who is faster, more skilled and experienced. I know this example isn't from SW, but was Al Sah-Him aka Oliver Queen aka Green Arrow more skilled than Ra's al Ghul? Oliver had to deceive Ra's just to kill him in their final duel. Oliver was already quite a capable fighter with training from Yao Fei, Shadow, Slade Wilson & Talia al Ghul.

Back to the SW, cs zoltan is correct in his assessment that raised from birth is overhyped. But it is extremely helpful in combat situations.


I assume you meant, that they aren't invincible.

Which of course and yes it's helpful, but what I mean there comes a point in the training where it's not really giving any gains after a certain point.


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Darth Truculent
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True Zenwolf. Remember what Yoda said to Obi-Wan said to Windu and Obi-Wan in AoTC? - "Padawans and some of the more experienced are too sure of themselves." Raised from birth and receiving training abroad doesn't mean invincibility. Revan had many teachers, but he too wasn't unbeatable.

You can learn several disciplines in martial arts, lightsaber forms or Force powers but it boils down to willpower. Sith are typically arrogant and that is the main cause of their downfall. Jedi are more reluctant to use violence and restrain themselves. It all comes down to a force of will


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I think it's significantly different for Jedi when compared to Troopers being trained from birth.

Basically, the Force changes everything. The average Jedi needs to be able to control and use the Force efficiently, and it can't be something they learn quickly or even in a couple of years, unless they're gifted or have above-average talent.

So, in the Jedi's case, it differentiates them from the muggles because they've been training to control the power of the Force since birth, a power other beings don't have.


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If there's any kind of edge to any person being trained since birth, it would be pretty negligible because there's only so much one can actually learn before it becomes redundant
Pretty much.

That's essentially why the Sith, for example, do not exclusively focus on training Apprentices from birth or w/e. They realize it can often be far more beneficial to begin the training later in a being's life.


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Raptor22
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Not sure if its overhyped. I honestly dont recall anyone really arguing it or acting like its something super important. It seems to have the right amount of hype.

If everything else is equal and u have 2 characters the same age but one has been training since birth and the other started later in life, id put my money on the one training since birth.

Would it be a factor in some situations? Id say so

Is it the end all be all? Not in my eyes

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Zenwolf
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Well maybe not overhyped, probably should have used different wording.


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