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Geistalt
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Rank the Following Above-Vader Force-Users

Purely in terms of Force power.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Knightfall!Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Nihilus
7. Darth Plagueis
8. Darth Krayt
9. Kyp Durron
10. Raynar Thul
11. Revan
12. Darth Caedus


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1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Valkorion
4.Yoda
5.Plageuis
6.Revan
7.Exar kun
8.Caedus
9.KF Vader
10.Krayt
11.Nihilus
12.Thul/Kyp

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"Above Vader"

Are we ranking them by raw power, their skill/application of the Force, or both?

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Geistalt
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Raw Force strength.


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So, their Force potential?


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Re: Rank the Following Above-Vader Force-Users

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Raw Force power:

0. KF Vader
1. Luke
2. Kyp
3. Sidious
4. Yoda
5. Valkorion
6. Plagueis
7. Revan
8. Exar Kun
9. Krayt
10. Caedus
11. Thul

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Geistalt
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So, their Force potential?
If that's what you think of it as (I don't, though, since certain chars like Kyp and Starkiller can have the potential to be insanely strong and lack the Force feats to back that potential up).

I just rank Knightfall!Vader over Valkorion on the basis of him being as strong as Darth Sidious per the RotS novelization (and GL's statement that "from then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor").

RotS Sidious and Yoda are right above Valk's league, given the Complete Visual Dictionary's statement that a post-Plagueis Darth Sidious was the most powerful dark-sider to have ever been Sith.

Given that Luke embodies Anakin's potential to be "twice as good as the Emperor," the only things that are really up for interpretation are 3-12, but I'd still love to hear everyone else's opinion.


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In terms of raw power, Caedus and Unu'Thul should both be much higher.

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Originally posted by Geistalt

Given that Luke embodies Anakin's potential to be "twice as good as the Emperor," the only things that are really up for interpretation are 3-12, but I'd still love to hear everyone else's opinion.


For the ten billionth time, no one ever said Luke "embodied" Anakin's full potential. Only that he could become the kind of overpowered apprentice that Sidious wanted, as opposed to Vader who was crippled.

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'Cause that makes sense when you've got him ragdolling Caedus, whose command of the Force was greater than Vader's—enough to allow him to ragdoll Kyle.


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in raw force strength revan isn't above vader

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Re: Rank the Following Above-Vader Force-Users

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Originally posted by Geistalt
Purely in terms of Force power.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Knightfall!Vader
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Nihilus
7. Darth Plagueis
8. Darth Krayt
9. Kyp Durron
10. Raynar Thul
11. Revan
12. Darth Caedus

Vader is obv. first. At this point he still had all his potential, temporary ***** fit aside. Luke second. If he isn't already, Valkie might have potential to exceed Sheev (who knows what the hell BioWare is up to at this point?). I guess Yoda, Kyp, Revan and Caedus take the next four spots in unknown order. Plagueis and Krayt behind (maybe Krayt had potential to be even more powerful and be alongside Yoda and co.). No idea who the hell Raynar Thul is, and Nihilus is too hard to say.

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This isn't potential; it's actualized power.

GL and the RotS novel placed Knightfall Vader on par with RotS Sidious.

Sidious: *fails to ragdoll Vader*
Luke: *ragdolls someone stronger than Vader*
NewGuy01: "Sidious is still stronger."


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shup up

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Originally posted by Geistalt
This isn't potential; it's actualized power.

GL and the RotS novel placed Knightfall Vader on par with RotS Sidious.

Sidious: *fails to ragdoll Vader*
Luke: *ragdolls someone stronger than Vader*
NewGuy01: "Sidious is still stronger."


Knightfall Vader was never placed on par with Sidious. There are roughly seven quotes stating Sidious was the most powerful, opposed to two that state Vader is the most powerful (it's obvious which one of the stances is right- the one backed up by seven sources opposed to the one backed by two) and Lucas was talking about Vader's potential.


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You obviously haven't read the quotes (hint: they don't say he was stronger than RotS Sidious).

quote:
[Vader] tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku.


quote:
He could feel his power growing, indeed. He had the measure of his "Master" already...


And even then, there's ambiguity as to whether or not he was exactly as strong or his point of view was skewed with hubris.


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Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Raw Force power:

0. KF Vader
1. Luke
2. Kyp
3. Sidious
4. Yoda
5. Valkorion
6. Plagueis
7. Revan
8. Exar Kun
9. Krayt
10. Caedus
11. Thul


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Some of the people in the list aren't above Vader...


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Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Some of the people in the list aren't above Vader...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c


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