Vader was conflicted. That's the entire point of RotJ. But, even if we ignore that, then Luke being on par with Vader means he is well above these two as Vader's canon feats shit all over theirs.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Leia withstanding a bridge explosion and surviving Vacuum of space would put Kylo, Luke, Rey, and Snoke above Qui-Gon. Very impressive showing of Barrier powers that rivals Vadera best canon stuff
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Vader withstands explosions that dwarf that, and he has flown through the vacuum of space after casually leaping from his starfighter in the Marvel comics.
Well he has armor that protects him from the Vacuum of space. But, yeah, that showing pales in comparison to what we've seen him do.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: And it's not as if she used a barrier to survive the explosion anyway. The explosion tore a hole in the bridge pulling her out into vacuum where she used the force to survive and yank herself to safety.
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I used to think that, but the ROTJ novelisation and comic definitely makes it clear that Vader was prepared to kill Luke and wasn't holding back.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
Oh, never mind then. I guess the space thing is still valid but not really anything quantifiable for combat.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
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So? Luke was intuitively copying Vader's Form V to the point where whatever Vader throws at him, he'll just use right back at his dad. According to the sources, Jedi Masters would be amazed at how Luke learnt so quickly.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
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Luke isn't on par with Vader. He's above Vader solely because when he fights Vader, he just copies the form and improves it.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
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Luke pretty much scales with whatever Vader outputs.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
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