REMINDER: All characters are strictly in their Legends incarnation and are at peak combative (not potential) capabilities under normal conditions (no external amplifies or other temporary boosts are to be considered). All characters are at peak mental mindset while maintaining an accurate portrayal of their mindset and beliefs (morals on). Lightsaber skill and related abilities (such as physical strength, speed, etc.) is to be considered if relevant.
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ADDITIONAL NOTICE #1: "Morals on" means that characters are fighting as they would be portrayed within the Star Wars universe given the conditions listed above. The intent is to not weaken the characters of any power, but rather for light-side characters to stay light-side characters. Thus, Luke Skywalker is not going to embrace the dark-side and use Force lightning or Force drain. Instead, Luke will bring all his powers to bear given the constraints of his ideology.
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ADDITIONAL NOTICE #2: UnuThul will be considered with the amplified abilities he receives from the Killiks.
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BANNED CHARACTERS: Ones of Mortis, Abeloth, Bedlam Spirits, Force Demons, Terror from Beyond, Waru, Mother Talzin, Gethzerion, Onimi, Irek Ismaren, Sarasu Taalon, World Razer, Sekot, Yuuzhan'tar, and other exotic entities.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Jan 11th, 2018 at 06:40 AM
Mace. He can factually compete with Sidious, and as an eight bordering nine, borders right on his level. Mace also has been compared favorably to Yoda multiple times. This should be sufficient to place him above Plagueis who was a massive power boost away from TPM Sidious.
Plagueis can telepathically reach out to every being in the galaxy, set landscapes on fire with his lightning, and scales above fotress level tk. Plagueis has also provoked a direct intervention of the force which punished him for the first feat I mentioned.
Overall that resume seems more impressive than what Valk has to offer, and Mace is likely more powerful.
Mace is also is the best duelist here, bordering on the level of Anakin, Yoda, and Sidious, the best 3 duelists up to their point in history.
Finally, Mace's superconducting loop allows him to nullify any potential power edge or hax either Plagueis or Valk may wield ensuring he's the most powerful combatant here.
The superconducting loop of Vapaad isn't circumstantial as the inner darkness Mace received from his revelation regarding Sidious remained something Mace could draw on even after he "turned to stone" and "pure jedi master". Mace overcame the emotional turmoil regarding his revelation about Sidious and was still able to use Vapaad's superconducting loop which proves Mace retains the inner darkness he receives.
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Can't decide over Plagueis or Nihilus...
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
Plagueis is considerably less powerful than TPM Sidious. How does he edge Mace, someone who can factually compete with and borders on the level of ROTS Sidious, is favorably compared to Yoda multiple times, can nullify any power or hax edge Plagy wields, and is a superior swordsman?
Last edited by Rockydonovang on Jan 11th, 2018 at 07:12 AM
Mace was able to use a superconducting loop against Sidious due to an increase in the amount of inner darkness inside of him after learning about Palpatine's true identity. We know this boost wasn't a temporal one because Mace was still able to draw on it even after overcoming his initial emotional turmoil:
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Location: Sith shrine below the Jedi Temple
Uh, TPM Sidious = Plagueis.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
You are ignoring that one critical factor that the source of his emotional turmoil that he used to bring Vaapad to new heights was the express threat of Palpatine. Palpatine threatened to destroy the Republic and the Jedi and everything Mace stood for and that is why he was able to fight so hard and so well in that engagement:
Sinking into Vaapad, Mace Windu fought for his life. More than his life: each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways. He was fighting for the Republic that he loved.
In a contextless engagement with Hego that emotional investment will not be present, he needs that to tap into Vaapad to the extend he did here.
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Mace could not compete with Sidious with the force. When Sidious actually uses lightning we are told it bends back Mace's blade and that it was too much for even Vaapad, so. You're wrong.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
Yeah, that's still not an external amplification. Yoda was also fighting for more than his life against Sidious, just as Kenobi was fighting for more than his life vs Anakin.
Nothing in your quote implies the emotional investment was specific to Sidious. It simply states that Mace was fighting at his best because of what was at stake which again, isn't an external amplification. And given the stipulations of the op:
We would be taking Mace fighting at the best of his ability.
Uh, what? How does losing a struggle equate to not being able to compete. You realize that the script has Mace, as an amputee, partially deflecting Sidious's lighting with his bare hands?
Or that the senior novel has Mace, off guard because he was snapped out of Vapaad, redirecting Sidious's telekinesis?
Mace can factually, per word of god, compete with Sidious and has been stated to border on Siidous's level.
There's no getting around that.
Last edited by Rockydonovang on Jan 11th, 2018 at 07:58 AM
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Yeah, maybe for a full 5-10 seconds before being completely overwhelmed. Windu apologetics are getting out of hand.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis