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Questions about 'Force' drain and Life drain - Explanations Anyone?
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Questions about 'Force' drain and Life drain - Explanations Anyone?

So, this is what Kreia says about KotOR 2 Drain:

"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."
— Kreia

So, from what I get regarding this description is that KotOR 2 drain practitioners kill their victims with his drain and then he consumes them after they are dead.

For me, this is weird. I was always of the impression that Nihilus drains his victims with his power and then this kills them, not the other way around.

Then, this what she says about KotOR 2 drain:

"As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely."
— Kreia

Now this description shows that it is the reverse of Battle Meditation: in this case it says that someone forcefully 'creates' a Force bond with someone and then drains them of their power.


In the other description, in the dark side version of KotOR 2:

"You give others strength to act, but it is also possible to draw upon the strength of others to increase your own. It is similar to drawing upon the Force as Jedi do, but when it is touched by the power of the dark side... it is something else, something deadly. These Sith we face... they have learned how to do this. It is a technique that has been lost for some time, not seen in the days since the ancient Sith. They can use it to consume other Force Sensitives - and at the highest pinnacle of power, use it to consume anything that lives. They draw upon the connections in the Force, and devour it. That is why they are drawn to Jedi, why it is easy for them to find where they gather - because it is like the smell of blood to them. And they can draw upon the Jedi's own strength to kill them."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

In this particular description Kreia says that what these Sith assassins do is an ancient technique that allows them to prey upon the Force-sensitives' connections to the Force and drain them by severing their Force connections, thus killing them.

Here is a contradiction to the first one: because in the first, death occurs first(due to the sever of life&Force connections) and then the drain is utilized on the death it causes. In the third description, the user strips the sensitive off their Force&life connections, they drain them, and then they die.

To be honest, the third explanation seems to be a mixed (convoluted) explanation of the two.

Fourth explanation shows that Nihilus' Killer Force stems from his Wound in the Force status not due to an ancient technique:

|"A blind Sith Lord appears. She has felt his existence like a gaping wound in the Force. The Force, she explains, fuels his hunger, and she will show him how to devour worlds. The Sith and the Force are meaningless to him, but the hunger must be appeased. Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-craving gift to radical heights – so effectively in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Fifth one says that Nihilus does the ancient technique:

"Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

In the sixth and seventh explanations, Kreia says that the Sith assassins know what they know because of the Exile not due to an ancient technique:

"These Sith are spawned of you, spawned by the Mandalorian Wars... all those deaths, all those Jedi. Their power is to feed on life, until nothing is left except a hollow galaxy, echoing with the screams of the Jedi lost to us."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Some would say that what Kreia meant is that they found the ancient technique because of what the Exile has done on Malachor V. Well, I could consider that.


"It is something the Sith, the assassins that stalk us, can do- it is of the dark side, the ability to feed on life, the Force, the closer one comes to it. It makes them stronger - for a time."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords


In the eighth explanation, Kreia states that those Sith assassins do the same KotOR 2 drain that Nihilus performs:


"Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Visas Marr, for example, attributed Nihilus' drain to his hole status too, so did Kreia in a frame, and the following sources:

"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger."
―Visas Marr

"And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
―Darth Traya (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

"Three lords stood above all others: Darth Nihilus, whose hunger devoured all life around him; Darth Sion, whose shattered body was held together by hatred; and Darth Traya, once a Jedi Master but now the Lord of Betrayal."
―The Conclave at Katarr Codex Entry (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

"Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that his emptiness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, and the hunger disappeared. But it proves insatiable. The more he indulges it, the shorter the satisfaction lasts and the more severe the hunger becomes. He begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving."
―Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

In the last explanation it says that Nihilus is consuming(literally) the Force energy:

"Darth Nihilus was known as the Lord of Hunger and was noted for his ability to literally consume the Force energy of his victims, which was used to sustain his own life energies. It was rumored that he could consume the Force energy of an entire planet."

―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

In this source it says that Nihilus, literally, consumes the Force energy(stored in midi-chlorians) within a sensitive, not that he would draw upon their (invisible) Force connections(thus denying them the ability to call upon the Force) and devour those connections(Cosmic Force, maybe?). Obviously I know that midi-chlorians allow for a connection with the Force. But in the last description is that Nihilus targets the midi-chlorians' (Force)energy, not the connection that allows the Force to manifest to a sensitive. A comparison would be to say that Nihilus(in the last source) absorbs someone's Force directly, not that he draws upon their connections with said-so Force. You could say he eats the lightbulb with its energy not the cable through which energy runs to light the bulb up.

The only way this thing makes sense to me is that all the KotOR 2 Sith were Wounds in the Force, and some were. probably, less addicted to KotOR 2 drain than others. Either this: or Darth Nihilus had his own Killer Force but it was similar in nature to that ancient technique.

But I wait your explanations. I am extremely confused.


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