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AncientPower
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Drew: Kun > Revan & Malak

Upon asking about the claims made by Jolee Bindo, Drew clarified that Exar Kun is in fact more powerful than either Revan or Malak.

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AP I really don't like the Malak>Kun shit either, but this is just reaching.


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AncientPower
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You're talking about Ant wanking KotOR. There's no limit to stretching.


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FreshestSlice
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Jolee Bindo and a Random Merchant, two people who have never met Malak or Prime Revan(one not even being Force Sensitive), or an out of universe source? Really makes you think. This one is actually well beyond pathetic. Even for you.

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AncientPower
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This is literally Drew confirming that their statements are accurate.

Don't come over here with your double-standard BS when Ant's been doing similar stuff for years.


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FreshestSlice
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First, that's not what the statement says, even if that's what he means. "Even more terrifying and dangerous," to "Keep the player's imagination alive," does not mean more powerful. And regardless of Drew's wishes, Chee is keeper of the holocron. Move on with life. Kun is below Malak, and no amount of hamster-wheel will change that.

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AncientPower
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In the very beginning he states that this was about how powerful characters were. In an answer to the question of what was meant by their statements. What he says is clear, far clearer than the ambiguous statement you and the others like to parade around as a clear objective fact to suit your wank agenda.

Literally everything buy a single interpretation of a web supplement is working against your hard shouldering. Your opinion is the outlier here. And no, screaming 'Leland Chee' incoherently won't do you any good when an actual statement from him about power levels contradicts the notion entirely.

Take the L.


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Originally posted by AncientPower
In the very beginning he states that this was about how powerful characters were. In an answer to the question of what was meant by their statements. What he says is clear, far clearer than the ambiguous statement you and the others like to parade around as a clear objective fact to suit your wank agenda.

Literally everything buy a single interpretation of a web supplement is working against your hard shouldering. Your opinion is the outlier here. And no, screaming 'Leland Chee' incoherently won't do you any good when an actual statement from him about power levels contradicts the notion entirely.

Take the L.


Drew doesn't have the authority to make said statement. He is one of the many writers on KOTOR and does not have knowledge of LFL's plans. Not that you are even interpreting this right in the first place. And the statement in question is clearly referring power as confirmed by Herndon.


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Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
does not have knowledge of LFL's plans.


Implying Herndon does?

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DarthSkywalker0
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Implying Herndon does?


Completely irrelevant. Herndon is clarifying the meaning of what is on the page whereas Drew is making his own assumptions based on in-universe statements. And, yes Herndon has worked with Chee on multiple occasions.


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AncientPower
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Drew doesn't have the authority to make said statement. He is one of the many writers on KOTOR and does not have knowledge of LFL's plans. Not that you are even interpreting this right in the first place. And the statement in question is clearly referring power as confirmed by Herndon.


He has all the authority in the world on this matter, he used a world-building writing technique that confirms that Revan and Malak weren't as powerful, terrifying and dangerous as Exar Kun was. That's as clear as possible.

Herndon confirmed nothing but the fact that LFL reviewed the supplement and that he still thinks Malak wins in a fight against Exar Kun.

Herndon has no authority on any of the characters involved, Drew Karpyshyn as Lead Writer does. Tom Veitch and KJA do as well. Their affirmations are far more credible on these matters.


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Completely irrelevant. Herndon is clarifying the meaning of what is on the page whereas Drew is making his own assumptions based on in-universe statements. And, yes Herndon has worked with Chee on multiple occasions.


The strikedthrough parts are irrelevant given that's not what I was asking about. Now regarding Herndon knowing LFL's plans and how it relates to the Malak > Kun quote. I have bad news for you, Leland specifically made it clear that LFL never expanded on a ranking of which characters are more powerful than others. So it's very very likely that the Malak > Kun quote came soley from the mind of Corey Herndon's as a way to promote material with Malak in it. I think I pointed out this quote to you before, here it is again :


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"I don't know for sure but I would imagine that there are no hard and fast lists about which Sith are the most powerful. "Most Powerful" would have lots of different variables to take into account. So it may be best to say that he was simply amongst the most powerful Sith along with Sidious and whoever else there may be. It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters."-


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Agreed, us continuity people don't deal in absolutes. Only Sith deal in absolutes. With that said, we'll often need to come up with stats or rankings for gameplay purposes. These are for gameplay purposes only. Stunt coordinato Nick Gillard had his own lightsaber ranking, but even the use of this ranking system is limited because it was only the major characters from the prequel films that he ranked. We never expanded on that ranking system.


- Leland Chee


I very much doubt that Chee had any hand in the Malak quote given his ethos regarding statements concerning power levels. And even if he did, he'd do with mind that it doesn't have to interpreted as an "absolute". To the contrary Kun is objectively much more powerful than Malak Star Forge or not. But i'd like Corey Herndon's analysis of why he thinks otherwise, and why his promotional blog to you must contain a factual comparison of the characters.

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Imagine being Drew Karpyshyn. Imagine the feeling of depression and existential nihilism he experiences every time some nerd emails him with questions regarding a setting he was paid to write some stuff for over a decade ago and has almost certainly forgotten the majority of his thought process when writing it.

Imagine how few seconds he spends actually considering the question before throwing out whatever answer pops into his head first before he finishes taking a shit or eating his breakfast or any of the other myriad things that take precedence over talking about a universe that's been officially dead for almost 5 years.

Kill me.


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Nah, author opinion really doesn't mean much of anything. Plus, Kun really isn't THAT impressive.

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Why do you bother?

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Originally posted by Tzeentch
Imagine being Drew Karpyshyn. Imagine the feeling of depression and existential nihilism he experiences every time some nerd emails him with questions regarding a setting he was paid to write some stuff for over a decade ago and has almost certainly forgotten the majority of his thought process when writing it.

Imagine how few seconds he spends actually considering the question before throwing out whatever answer pops into his head first before he finishes taking a shit or eating his breakfast or any of the other myriad things that take precedence over talking about a universe that's been officially dead for almost 5 years.

Kill me.


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Nah, author opinion really doesn't mean much of anything. Plus, Kun really isn't THAT impressive.


He's clarifying the accuracy of statements made in KotOR.

Kun's incredibly impressive, he has a trove on insane feats and displays dominance over two eras full of powerhouses.


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Why do you bother?


Given that the Malak wank is becoming ever stronger and any attempts at logic are shoved aside to benefit Revan wank, I see no reason not to go to exactly the same lengths Ant did to start all of this.


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I don't recall any character in KoTOR suggesting that Exar Kun was more powerful than either Darth Revan or Darth Malak.

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Nephthys
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Theres a merchant on the Yavin station that says it.

Anyway, this is no more pathetic than Ant and cos usual shenanigans so unsure why theres so much backlash unless its just pure dislike for AP.

The correct answer imo is to ignore both suggestions and place these characters based on their actual showings and accolades.


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