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Was RotJ Luke a tier 9 during his rage amp?
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Was RotJ Luke a tier 9 during his rage amp?

I believe Gilliard said that RotS Anakin on invisible hand was an eight leading up to the saberlock, after which he became a 9 upon drawing from the darkside.

Would the same apply to Luke?


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normal luke was prolly a high 7, and raged luke was high 8
vader being low 8


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Considering Luke stomped Vader, a person appreciably ahead of Dooku, in a more emphatic manner than Anakin did to Dooku, and in a way that is echoed by more number of sources, yeah, rage amped Luke would certainly be a 9.

Normal ROTJ Luke would be an 8, since there are many sources, even recent ones that say that Luke and Vader were evenly matched(not that this wasn't evident from the fight itself) and Vader is definitely an 8, possibly a high 8.

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Considering Luke stomped Vader, a person appreciably ahead of Dooku, in a more emphatic manner than Anakin did to Dooku, and in a way that is echoed by more number of sources, yeah, rage amped Luke would certainly be a 9.

Normal ROTJ Luke would be an 8, since there are many sources, even recent ones that say that Luke and Vader were evenly matched(not that this wasn't evident from the fight itself) and Vader is definitely an 8, possibly a high 8.


Pretty much, but I'd put Vader even higher. Windu was said to be a low 9, and there's no way Vader is below Windu.


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I doubt movie!Vader was anything higher than 8.

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If the novel is any indication, then a serious Luke was implied to have already surpassed Vader as a swordsman before he went into full rage-mode:
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"Before Vader could gather his thoughts much further, though, Luke attacked again - much more aggressively. He advanced in a flurry of lunges, each met with a loud crack of Vader's phosphorescent saber. The Dark Lord retreated a step at every slash, swiveling once to bring his cutting beam up viciously - but Luke batted it away, pushing Vader back yet again. The Lord of the Sith momentarily lost his footing on the stairs and tumbled to his knees.

For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth."

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Doesn't the novelization say that Vader had never seen this level of dark side power before?


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Depends. Lucas said Vader was like Maul and Dooku whom were 8s. Lucas also says Vader vs. Luke and Anakin vs. Dooku were supposed to "rhyme" with each other with Anakin saying yes and Luke saying no in regards to the temptation of the Dark side.


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Ahsoka (and by extension Rebels Maul) was ultimately no match for Vader. Not even in Sabers.

So Vader is at least a very high 8. Likely on the 8/9 border like Windu.

ROTJ Luke was =/> Vader in Sabers.

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What are with these sabre tiers?


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What are with these sabre tiers?
You've been made a judge in a debate. Please refrain from asking such embarrassing questions for the future.


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Doesn't the novelization say that Vader had never seen this level of dark side power before?
Not that I recall. The novel does, however, state that Palpatine was "terrified" of Luke's power/potential... The novel also states that Luke instinctively used the force to repel Palpatine's FL for a moment.

So yeah...


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You've been made a judge in a debate. Please refrain from asking such embarrassing questions for the future.


Since when?


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