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Mendax
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Rich enough to fund the Death Star?

Is there anyone else in the mythos who has enough personal wealth to fully fund building a Death Star from scratch?


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Galan007
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Questions like this have come up before.

The total cost of building the Death Star = 1 TRILLION(+) credits:
https://i.imgur.com/iLo2fG1.jpg
-Star Wars: AEYNTK


So aside from Palpatine, who possessed far more wealth than anyone else in the galaxy during his reign, Bohhuah Mutdah is the next obvious choice.

Mutdah was a retired industrialist who had amassed a personal wealth of trillionS of credits:

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-Adventures Of Lando Calrissian - Flamewind Of Oseon


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-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopeida



To put this into perspective, even Xizor was 'only' stated to be worth billions:
https://i.imgur.com/tLvKyuz.jpg
-Shadows of the Empire

And even Vader was stated to be worth slightly less that Xizor:
https://i.imgur.com/QqXDQMw.jpg
-Shadows of the Empire


I know there are others to consider, like Dooku(who was also regarded as one of the wealthiest beings in the galaxy during the PT), but I doubt his personal fortune was sufficient to fund the construction of a Death Star.


tl;dr,
Mutdah could completely fund building a Death Star or two, and likely STILL be wealthier than anyone else in the galaxy around that time(sans Sheev.) The dude was basically the Scrooge McDuck of Star wars, ffs.


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I mean, I guess you'd have to consider what it means to be "rich" in the star wars universe. Your average person probably has enough to survive and not move around from planet to planet too much. But when you get to uber-wealthy people, the amount of money that an entire galaxy of exploitation could get you probably creates an incredible disparity in wealth from that average person mentioned earlier. I'd say that quite a few people should be able to fund death stars.

And as for Galan's post, I guess maybe Xizor and Vader didn't have as much money as I'd expected them to, but I'd be willing to estimate that there are quite a few out there with just as and more money than Bohhua Mutdah, especially when you consider the entire history of the galaxy.


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Galan007
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Keep in mind, Xizor's wealth was still beyond the income of many entire planets:
https://i.imgur.com/csm1Yz4.jpg
-SotE

So 'billions' of credits is still an absurd fortune by SW standards.


As for Vader- he didn't desire wealth at all. If he had, it would have been relatively easy for him to build a gargantuan fortune of his own -- akin to Maul, when he built the 'Shadow Collective' by usurping control of various crime syndicates.


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I am here consuming my neuron thinking what was Vader's end goal after Palpatine made him his whore.


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The Ellimist
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Trillions of credits seems like a really low price tag unless if either the Death Star is cheaper than we thought or there is heavy deflation (which from the price of common goods doesn't seem to be the case). Even given the low-end figure of a million worlds, that's a few billion dollars per world - aka each planet merely needs to pay a tax that's insignificant by the standards of a modern wealthy nation, let alone an entire planet.

Star Wars writers are really bad at math.


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Mendax
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
Questions like this have come up before.

The total cost of building the Death Star = 1 TRILLION(+) credits:
https://i.imgur.com/iLo2fG1.jpg
-Star Wars: AEYNTK


So aside from Palpatine, who possessed far more wealth than anyone else in the galaxy during his reign, Bohhuah Mutdah is the next obvious choice.

Mutdah was a retired industrialist who had amassed a personal wealth of trillionS of credits:

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-Adventures Of Lando Calrissian - Flamewind Of Oseon


(please log in to view the image)
-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopeida



To put this into perspective, even Xizor was 'only' stated to be worth billions:
https://i.imgur.com/tLvKyuz.jpg
-Shadows of the Empire

And even Vader was stated to be worth slightly less that Xizor:
https://i.imgur.com/QqXDQMw.jpg
-Shadows of the Empire


I know there are others to consider, like Dooku(who was also regarded as one of the wealthiest beings in the galaxy during the PT), but I doubt his personal fortune was sufficient to fund the construction of a Death Star.


tl;dr,
Mutdah could completely fund building a Death Star or two, and likely STILL be wealthier than anyone else in the galaxy around that time(sans Sheev.) The dude was basically the Scrooge McDuck of Star wars, ffs.
Wow thanks.

What about Jabba the hutt? would his resources and wealth be enough iyo?


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Eh aside from what Galan mentioned, the only other person I could see building one would be Xizor.

Jabba I can't really see pulling it off.


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Trillions of credits seems like a really low price tag unless if either the Death Star is cheaper than we thought or there is heavy deflation (which from the price of common goods doesn't seem to be the case). Even given the low-end figure of a million worlds, that's a few billion dollars per world - aka each planet merely needs to pay a tax that's insignificant by the standards of a modern wealthy nation, let alone an entire planet.

Star Wars writers are really bad at math.
In Legends it was stated that the Empire lost "trillionS of credits' worth of labor and material" when the DS1 was destroyed:
https://i.imgur.com/I7SsDdz.jpg
-Death Star

But again, that's Legends. The Death Star's most recent(and canon) construction cost = 1 trillion(+) credits... That's the arbitrary number Disney pulled out of their ass for whatever reason. /shrug


Mind you, it has also been implied that the initial order of 3 million clone troopers cost ~2-3 billion credits(as Lama Su requested an initial deposit of 1 billion credits before she would commission the growth of another 3 million soldiers):
https://i.imgur.com/090LiNr.jpg
-Republic Commando: Odds

And in TCW S03E11 it was stated that the purchase of an additional 5 million clones could bankrupt the entire Republic outright.

*I only mention this because it helps put into perspective how truly gargantuan a personal fortune consisting of billions of credits(never mind trillions) really is in the SW-verse. Insane.

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Originally posted by Mendax
Wow thanks.

What about Jabba the hutt? would his resources and wealth be enough iyo?
Not imo.

Black Sun was the galaxy's most powerful criminal organization, and was also stated to be far more powerful than Jabba's syndicate -- with a hand in absolutely every illicit activity that transpired in the galaxy::
https://i.imgur.com/zgb4c47.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YQaF2Bo.jpg
-Shadows of the Empire Sourcebook

And it was also made abundantly clear in the Shadows of the Empire novelization that Jabba was firmly under Xizor's heel -- Jabba even referred to him as "your Highness" a few times, lol.


Point being: given that Xizor controlled an organization that was vastly more powerful than Jabba's, it is reasonable to assume that Xizor's personal wealth would have also exceeded Jabba's by a significant amount. This is important because even Xizor's fortune(which, again, was stated to be in the "billions"), still wasn't enough to fund the construction of a Death Star... And if Xizor didn't have sufficient funds, Jabba definitely wouldn't.


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Edit: Ah, whoops misread the OP, personal wealth. Got it.


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Imagine if Palpatine was a Jedi. How much money would the galaxy have. He'd bring peace, justice and security to his new Empire. Eradicate diseases and famine.


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I just started a new game on KOTOR and I paid 50 credits for a deck of cards and people were taking out loans of at least 200 credits that they would have a tough time paying back.

I'm not sure the numbers are adding up


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I just started a new game on KOTOR and I paid 50 credits for a deck of cards and people were taking out loans of at least 200 credits that they would have a tough time paying back.

I'm not sure the numbers are adding up
Yeah, and the west end games, along with the adventure journals and the "adventures" series paint the picture that the debt which almost all players have is in excess of many, many credits.


Then again, maybe we're talking about different denominations of credits, since we know there were thousand credit coins, and .1 credit coins.

And while the guy Galan mentioned is confirmed to be the wealthiest person in the galaxy, at least during the Lando Clarissian trilogy, there might be others who are close runner ups, and others throughout the history of the galaxy may have been wealthier. I guess you'd have to look through all the nobles, bankers, businessmen, crime lords, and administrators, and even then there's probably no good answer since the "credit" currency has been REALLY inconsistent in star wars.


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Yeah, and the west end games, along with the adventure journals and the "adventures" series paint the picture that the debt which almost all players have is in excess of many, many credits.


Then again, maybe we're talking about different denominations of credits, since we know there were thousand credit coins, and .1 credit coins.

And while the guy Galan mentioned is confirmed to be the wealthiest person in the galaxy, at least during the Lando Clarissian trilogy, there might be others who are close runner ups, and others throughout the history of the galaxy may have been wealthier. I guess you'd have to look through all the nobles, bankers, businessmen, crime lords, and administrators, and even then there's probably no good answer since the "credit" currency has been REALLY inconsistent in star wars.
Seems like the numbers are either about comparable to our numbers or in extreme excess (Cassus Fett's armor was 18 000 credits), at least according to KOTOR anyway (it also doesn't account for .01). 1000 credits was the reward for a kidnapped son as well from a rich farmer, though that kind of skews it.

Which makes me kind of curious how much everyday items are in the non games universe, and on what planets


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With the introduction of Canto Bight, the new canon now also has some really wealthy people, so I'm going to throw forth the name of the Countess of Canto Bight, also known as Contessa Alissyndrex delga Cantonica Provincion. She is the wealthiest person in Canto Bight, and that's pretty big considering the wealth of some people here.

Just to give you an idea, Cantonica was originally a desert planet and the ocean we saw in the last jedi was a fake one built by the people there. It was expensive to maintain because the water on that planet evaporated at a rate of several tons per day. So that's how rich our patrons are.


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