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The Ellimist
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Revan vs. Thrawn

Who is the better military mind, Force powers aside?


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Jaggarath
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Since Revan's Force abilities would naturally be apart of his strategies, it's hard to separate the two.


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Since Revan's Force abilities would naturally be apart of his strategies, it's hard to separate the two.
What are you implying? I do not see how force power has much to do with battle tactics.


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Jaggarath
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Force precognition. Force visions.


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Good point, this would be a nice ability to have when preparing for a battle.


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But if we were to only base this on precognition, that would make those of Palpatine or Millenial higher then Thrawn in tactics. I am talking about full on tactics, not abilities to boost your awareness. Now, pretend that Revan could not have force precognition, would be more skilled then Thrawn in tactics.


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I'll wait for something new for Revan, because all I seem to ever get is the same old same old. Mandalorian Wars yadayada, Jedi Civil War yadayada, Mandos were big fans.


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In fairness Wolf, Revan is appluaded by both sides for his strategies in the Shadow of Revan campaign.


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Zenwolf
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All well and good but what else? What feats does he have apart from the usual? I mean does he scale from anyone who is also a tactician? What do they have going for them? I can only really recall like...3? That he can perhaps scale from.


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Thrawn is likely the better tactician/strategist on average. The guy made even some of the best minds in the Empire(inc. Vader) look like droopy-eyed armless children.

Now if precog is allowed, then it would help level the field a bit, but much like Vader, it still wouldn't be quite enough for Revan to come out on top as a tactician. Just MO.


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Weren't the Mandos beating the ****ing shit out of the Republic before Revan stepped in?

How is that not a valid enough feat? Then again he was humiliating the Republic AND the Jedi, if he hadn't been turned, he might've started a reign that lasted even longer then Palpatine's.

The only time Revan has seemed to have "failed" is when he's not in command of large forces, or he gets betrayed. I guess you could say he failed at The Foundry, but thats one small failure in a factory, as opposed to multiple campaigns he was always winning.

Even as a deranged, insane zombie, Revan was doing incredibly well against the combined forces of the Jedi and the Sith.

Seriously, every time Revan steps onto a battlefield, or plans out attacks with large forces, he absolutely wrecks.

He almost killed The Emperor on his own ****ing planet with only the aid of 2 other people on a Dark Side nexus (which only REALLY aided the most inferior of the bunch) while probably still drugged like crazy. He could have thought up a better plan, but he did pretty well as he was.

Revan wins, imo. He's a brilliant strategist.


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Weren't the Mandos beating the ****ing shit out of the Republic before Revan stepped in?

Yeah, because Revan convinced them to join the war. They weren't fighting until he stepped in. It is not that they were fighting and losing, is that they weren't fighting until Revan changed the council's mind.


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No, lmao. The Jedi weren't fighting, but the Republic were.


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No, lmao. The Jedi weren't fighting, but the Republic were.
Me?


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Yes.

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Weren't the Mandos beating the ****ing shit out of the Republic before Revan stepped in?.

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Yeah, because Revan convinced them to join the war. They weren't fighting until he stepped in.

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No, lmao. The Jedi weren't fighting, but the Republic were.


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Oh, i thought he meant the Jedi, the republic was failing miserably until the Jedi stepped in. I didn't see that you edited your response.


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Me?
He's saying to you, yes, that the Jedi weren't fighting, but the republic was.

Revan only brought the Jedi over, but the Republic was getting absolutely thrashed, hell it wasn't even the majority of the Jedi that joined him, just a small amount of them that agreed with him.

Revan did some major masterstrokes in that war too, it wasn't the Jedi being there that won that war, it was Revan and his tactical mind.

Without Revan I am fully convinced, even with the Jedi who joined Revan's help, they'd still have lost.

Thats a big deal whether anyone recognizes it or not.


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Without Revan I am fully convinced, even with the Jedi who joined Revan's help, they'd still have lost.


That's stated by many sources. thumb up


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hell it wasn't even the majority of the Jedi that joined him, just a small amount of them that agreed with him.


You said some, not just Revan, he was a big part of it, but it wasn't just him that won it.


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