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We may be wrong about the ancient sith
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The Enigma
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We may be wrong about the ancient sith

For the longest time, we have gloated and bellowed in cachinnation at the dunderpates who believed that Marka Ragnos possessed superior powers to the relishes of Emperor Palpatine merely because he was "antediluvian and cool looking". We correctly noted that such observations required minimal astuteness or deep thought, and ran contrary to the more astute and evidence predicated analysis now preferred by the astronomical majority of the forums.

But, here lies the quandary. The engenderers of the Star Wars macrocosm, including its authors and editors, themselves cerebrate more proximately to that "shallow" intuition than our own lines of scaling and logic. That logic reposed on the fatal postulation that internally consistent rules, rather than author intuition, drove the storylines. But if the authors themselves, essentially being Gods within their macrocosms, engender the stories, then their own opinions, cumulated with those of their editors, hold supreme ascendancy over the events of the story. And if authors themselves believe that Ragnos is proximately as, as, or more potent than Palpatine, then that is indeed the authenticity they opt to indite.

For it is not a coincidence that authors indite Karness Muur as a threat to Sidious, Ragnos as a threat to the entire Incipient Jedi Order, or Exar Kun as a challenge commensurable to Sidious. We can contort and rationalize all we optate, but the intent was pellucid.

Now; what about Palpatine's supremacy quotes? Merely a minority of authors who indite such things. Were Ragnos of sometime in Palpatine's future, and were he in as many sourcebooks, it is very likely that he would withal have as many - but even if it were not, how many authors authentically constrain their storylines predicated on what sourcebooks verbally express? Virtually none - and so their potency in shaping the narrative is genuinely minimal.

Most fictional works attribute a caliber of supreme power and spookiness to the antediluvian potencies. This carries forward in Star Wars, with lost potencies, super archaic technology, and crazy storylines limpidly designed to give such an impression. We can fight it all we optate, but in the terminus, intuition drives Star Wars.

But, this remains a mere hypothesis. As Legends has ended, preserve for a few holds, we may never ken for sure.

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Freedon Nadd
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Author statements are as meaningless as my love for Sidious.


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Palpatine can be the strongest Sith but still be threatened by other top tier Sith. People bring up power scaling but in SW it doesn't follow like a Shonen series like dbz, very rarely do one shots occur.


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Re: We may be wrong about the ancient sith

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Palpatine can be the strongest Sith but still be threatened by other top tier Sith. People bring up power scaling but in SW it doesn't follow like a Shonen series like dbz, very rarely do one shots occur.


Sidious is the strongest Sith. But his power is contextually misinterpreted.


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Sidious was never the strongest Sith, only the cleverest, the one with the most talent for subversion.

He wasn't the fighter type and he wasn't the scholar/mystic type, he was the schemer type.

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quote: (post)
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Sidious was never the strongest Sith, only the cleverest, the one with the most talent for subversion.

He wasn't the fighter type and he wasn't the scholar/mystic type, he was the schemer type.

LMAO.

"Yoda can't handle the full fury of the most powerful Sith ever!"

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"Yoda can't comprehend Sidious' utter cleverness!"

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Ah yes, the quotes. roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Right? How dare he argue with evidence? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by The Merchant
Palpatine can be the strongest Sith but still be threatened by other top tier Sith. People bring up power scaling but in SW it doesn't follow like a Shonen series like dbz, very rarely do one shots occur.


Perhaps because most battles are played for dramatic effect rather than a true showing of brutal efficiency and clear cut lines of power. Everyone swings glowsticks at Grievous when they could just push his eyes in or something, for example. Largely because Star Wars is a hero story with all that entails, fights are heroic and flashy rather than sensible. EU absorbs some of this idiocy and has battles which are Rule of Cool rather than logical.

Arguably, all top shelf Sith should be a threat to each other. It's up to good rational arguments and proper evidence to support a pecking order since they lack stuff like stats and objective measurements to support their standings.

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Right? How dare he argue with evidence? roll eyes (sarcastic)


Funny, considering Yoda overwhelmed Sids, disarmed him, scared him, and then won the lightning battle, only to lose to a situational ring-out.

Oh, and Mace front kicked his sword out of his wrinkled hands.

But yeah, let's here more unsubstantiated quotes about how Sids was too powerful.


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@Stealth Moose: Out of curiosity, do you still hold Exar Kun above DE Sidious?


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@Stealth Moose: Out of curiosity, do you still hold Exar Kun above DE Sidious?
It’s a trap!


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This entire argument is based on authors being masters of their own works, it’s not true. Things must go through moderation and under the microscope of the story group for a reason.

Writers can think Ventress > Krayt all they want, but if they ever tried to show it their works would be rewritten and redrafted to fit with the established order of things. It’s why author opinions in and of themselves aren’t gospel, only really worthy when clarifying their own works and character’s loop holes.


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Freedon Nadd
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This original poster is a troll.


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