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Eli Vanto
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Rey's power growth?

So there was only 1 year between TFA and ROS.

Is there any good reason how Rey was able to become so powerful over such a short time? Were the Jedi texts and Leias training really THAT good or was her potential just second to none?


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Total Warrior
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There is a Dyad thing going on between her and Emo Kylo


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Galan007
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She's *the* Mary Sue, obviously.

But if you're looking for 'logical' answers, then yeah, the Dyad between Rey and Kylo accounted for much of her inextricable growth. The TLJ novelization expanded on it a bit:
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Even as Kylo Ren callously rifled through her mind, he had somehow revealed his own. Rey found herself in his mind even as he invaded hers. She felt his rage, like a ruinous storm that filled his head, and his hatred, and his lust to dominate and humiliate those who had wronged him. But she also felt his hurt, and his loneliness. And his fear--that he would never prove as strong as Darth Vader, the ghost who haunted his dreams.

Kylo had retreated at finding Rey in his head--had practically fled from her. But that had not been the end of that strange, sudden connection. She had seen more--far more. Somehow, almost instinctually, she knew how he accessed some of the powers at his command--even though she didn't understand them. It was as if his training had become hers, unlocking and flinging open door after door in her mind.


In a nutshell, when Rey and Kylo's minds connected in TFA, Rey instantly gained much of the knowledge/experience Kylo had at the time. She then continued building on that know-how via the ancient texts and Luke/Leia's training.

And as also explained in the RoS VD: whenever Rey and Kylo were fighting in the same vicinity, the Dyad amped their respective powers even further.


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Why in the **** wasn't important info like that put IN THE MOVIES!?


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Most casual fans won’t even be bothered by Rey’s growth. They just enjoy the show. More careful fanboys like us read the books, comics or at least look for info on the internet. So no need to put that info in the movies and confuse people


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
She's *the* Mary Sue, obviously.

But if you're looking for 'logical' answers, then yeah, the Dyad between Rey and Kylo accounted for much of her inextricable growth. The TLJ novelization expanded on it a bit:


In a nutshell, when Rey and Kylo's minds connected in TFA, Rey instantly gained much of the knowledge/experience Kylo had at the time. She then continued building on that know-how via the ancient texts and Luke/Leia's training.

And as also explained in the RoS VD: whenever Rey and Kylo were fighting in the same vicinity, the Dyad amped their respective powers even further.

They’re powers only amplified eachother’s when they fought TOGETHER in close proximity of one another. So only against the praetorian guards and knights of ren/sidious’ gaurds

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Sheev
Why in the **** wasn't important info like that put IN THE MOVIES!?
Because the average movie goer doesn't care.


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Eli Vanto
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
She's *the* Mary Sue, obviously.

But if you're looking for 'logical' answers, then yeah, the Dyad between Rey and Kylo accounted for much of her inextricable growth. The TLJ novelization expanded on it a bit:


In a nutshell, when Rey and Kylo's minds connected in TFA, Rey instantly gained much of the knowledge/experience Kylo had at the time. She then continued building on that know-how via the ancient texts and Luke/Leia's training.

And as also explained in the RoS VD: whenever Rey and Kylo were fighting in the same vicinity, the Dyad amped their respective powers even further.
God that seems like such a copout.


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Honestly, it's not like Luke's power growth ever made any sense either. The point about these movies has never been about being realistic or even internally consistent, they're not. The point is telling a good story. We never noticed the inconsistencies in the OT because they told a good story. When the ST failed to do that, we nitpick what we do notice.


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Honestly, it's not like Luke's power growth ever made any sense either. The point about these movies has never been about being realistic or even internally consistent, they're not. The point is telling a good story. We never noticed the inconsistencies in the OT because they told a good story. When the ST failed to do that, we nitpick what we do notice.


There's a bit of a difference with Luke, we see him train and a clear passage of time. ANH he was just a farmboy, got some training with Ben.

ESB we clearly see that Luke is more confident about himself and holding the rank of Commander of Rogue Squadron and then going to train with Yoda.

ROTJ he is completely different now, so sure of his abilities and his growth of himself.

With Rey, two of the movies are quite frankly right after one another, she doesn't really get much training other than some self practice with a lightsaber, then the last movie is only a year apart and she read some Jedi texts.

It doesn't exactly help that the ST put clear indications of how much time has passed. With the OT, that didn't seem to be the case, so we could fill in the gaps that somewhere, Luke grew from ANH to ESB to ROTJ, which shows itself in all 3 films. The time was vague, so it could make sense that Luke could do the things we see him later do, it didn't seem like it was just one after another out of nowhere.


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Yeah, but going from farmboy at the age of 19 to rivalling former jedi knight and current chief enforcer of the Empire at the age of 23 is still hard to believe, at least for me.

If the ST had told a better story, I don't think we'd see so many people complaining about Rey. Some would, as they did for so many years with Luke, but not nearly as vociferously as they do with Rey.


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Originally posted by Eli Vanto
God that seems like such a copout.


It is.

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Originally posted by Zentrex
Honestly, it's not like Luke's power growth ever made any sense either. The point about these movies has never been about being realistic or even internally consistent, they're not. The point is telling a good story. We never noticed the inconsistencies in the OT because they told a good story. When the ST failed to do that, we nitpick what we do notice.


The OT was first though. It can't be inconsistent because it was first. The inconsistency lies with the PT and, yes, certain people complained. But even then, there are good excuses. The PT Jedi dole out information slowly whereas Yoda tried to cram as much knowledge as he could into Luke in a limited amount of time, the PT Jedi get a well-rounded education including such things as politics, languages, detective skills, etc whereas Luke was taught only force knowledge and combat skills, etc...

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Yeah, with Luke there was at least a better explanation. He actually received proper instruction from two of the greatest Jedi Masters in history, had Kenobi's journal as a reference, was a natural prodigy by virtue of being the direct offspring of the Chosen One, had 4 years to hone his abilities, and I'm sure we'll learn even more about his growth during ESB and RotJ in the current comic series... Not that him ascending to the level of RotJ Vader in 4 years is exactly logical, but again, at least there's *some* kind of halfway decent rationale.

With Rey it's just a huge asspull. She links minds with Kylo in TFA, and *poof*, gains much of his knowledge and experience. A few days later in TLJ, she 'trains' with burnout Luke(who really just taught her how to connect with the Force around her.) Fast-forward just 1 year to RoS, and she's been training with Leia(who only had less than 1 year of Jedi instruction herself), and has read the ancient texts. That's literally it.


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Is it really "halfway decent" if it doesn't convince you? To me, there's a threshold to being believable, and niether Rey nor Luke are past that threshold. It's not really important how far.

I still think we probably wouldn't be here talking about how stupid Rey's power growth is if the ST had been good, regardless of whether or not her power came from a Dyad.

Even in TFA, the explanation was supposed to be that she had her powers "unlocked" when Kylo tried to mind probe her. Just the fact that they thought that explanation would work alone shows that Disney also believed that the audience would suspend their disbelief for these kinds of things, as long as there was a good story to distract them.


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Eli Vanto
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Luke's growth doesn't make sense either, but it at least makes MORE sense than Reys stick out tongue


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roll eyes (sarcastic)


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