Can You Tell The Difference Between A Men’s Magazine And A Rapist?
According to a new study, people can't tell the difference between quotes from British "lad mags" and interviews with convicted rapists.
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The University of Surrey reports on the study, to be published in the British Journal of Psychology. Researchers gave a group of men and women quotes from the British lad mags FHM, Loaded, Nuts and Zoo, as well as excerpts from interviews with actual convicted rapists originally published in the book The Rapist Files. The participants couldn't reliably identify which statements came from magazines and which from rapists.
1. There's a certain way you can tell that a girl wants to have sex . . . The way they dress, they flaunt themselves.
2. Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
3. A girl may like anal sex because it makes her feel incredibly naughty and she likes feeling like a dirty ****. If this is the case, you can try all sorts of humiliating acts to help live out her filthy fantasy.
4. Mascara running down the cheeks means they've just been crying, and it was probably your fault . . . but you can cheer up the miserable beauty with a bit of the old in and out.
5. What burns me up sometimes about girls is dick-teasers. They lead a man on and then shut him off right there.
6. Filthy talk can be such a turn on for a girl . . . no one wants to be shagged by a mouse . . . A few compliments won't do any harm either . . . ‘I bet you want it from behind you dirty whore' . . .
7. You know girls in general are all right. But some of them are bitches . . . The bitches are the type that . . . need to have it stuffed to them hard and heavy.
8. Escorts . . . they know exactly how to turn a man on. I've given up on girlfriends. They don't know how to satisfy me, but escorts do.
9. You'll find most girls will be reluctant about going to bed with somebody or crawling in the back seat of a car . . . But you can usually seduce them, and they'll do it willingly.
10. There's nothing quite like a woman standing in the dock accused of murder in a sex game gone wrong . . . The possibility of murder does bring a certain frisson to the bedroom.
11. Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they're just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they're saying, ‘Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'
12. You do not want to be caught red-handed . . . go and smash her on a park bench. That used to be my trick.
13. Some women are domineering, but I think it's more or less the man who should put his foot down. The man is supposed to be the man. If he acts the man, the woman won't be domineering.
14. I think if a law is passed, there should be a dress code . . . When girls dress in those short skirts and things like that, they're just asking for it.
15. Girls love being tied up . . . it gives them the chance to be the helpless victim.
16. I think girls are like plasticine, if you warm them up you can do anything you want with them.
The research due to be published in the British Journal of Psychology also revealed that most men who took part in the study identified themselves more with the language expressed by the convicted rapists.
Says lead study author Dr. Miranda Horvath, "We were surprised that participants identified more with the rapists' quotes, and we are concerned that the legitimisation strategies that rapists deploy when they talk about women are more familiar to these young men than we had anticipated." Her co-author Dr. Peter Hegarty adds,
There is a fundamental concern that the content of such magazines normalises the treatment of women as sexual objects. We are not killjoys or prudes who think that there should be no sexual information and media for young people. But are teenage boys and young men best prepared for fulfilling love and sex when they normalise views about women that are disturbingly close to those mirrored in the language of sexual offenders?
Re: Can You Tell The Difference Between A Men’s Magazine And A Rapist?
I gave it an honest go.
1. Rapist c
2. Rapist c
3. Mag c
4. Mag c
5. Rapist c
6. Mag c
7. Rapist c
8. Rapist w
9. Rapist c
10. Mag c
11. Mag w
12. Rapist w
13. Rapist c
14. Mag w
15. Mag c
16. Rapist w
So I got 8, 11, 12, 14, and 16 wrong. I conveniently got a 69% on this test. That is just coincidental but a pleasant outcome.
Looking back, I was just getting tired of thinking about it and I would have said 16 was definitely mag material. 14 is obvious, as well. 11 seems correct in real life, actually: it doesn't matter who said that because it is true (I would add "it's yours if you want to play my stupid games..or I could just be ovulating and I'm trying to mate with someone (that last statement is backed up by science ...suck people that think it's a rapey statement)). The context of 12 would be required to get that statement correct: it's a misleading statement. Eight was easily a rapist because it was in the first person and had nothing offensive in it. However, a common MO of rapists IS using prostitutes so it is easier to see that as a rapey statement rather than the musings of a sick article writer.
Also, this study does not indicate whether or not the sexual fantasies of both the article writers and the rapists are mutually exclusive. They would appear to some overlap. So what did they prove in their study? That the more colorful male oriented writers have "rape" sexual fantasies in obviously sexist magazines (part of sexism is the dominance over women which includes sexuality...so we are only proving obvious points about sexism, not anything new)? What's next: are they going to tell us that the KKK are prejudice against blacks and jews?
I know it's not really anything to do with the quiz, I'd just like to point out that I feel the mags included are a bit off. To be honest I dont really think there's anything remotely rapey about Nuts.
I do buy it somewhat regularly, and I do actually read it, and most of the articles/interviews pertaining to sex are actually answered/written/have some input from women, which is why I enjoy reading it.
As opposed to say, Zoo, which I have bought in the past and saw almost nothing but sexist jokes/comments in articles. I even remember a comment about a larger woman, where all they were doing was berating her.
I just think it's a bit unfair that one decent magazine should be brought down by others of the same type.
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11. Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they're just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they're saying, ‘Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'
What are they asking for?
""it's yours if you want to play my stupid games" ? So any woman who wears mini-skirts or hotpants plays stupid games?
Last edited by Sancty on Dec 15th, 2011 at 07:13 PM
Convicted rapist: Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants . . . they're just displaying their body . . . Whether they realise it or not they're saying, ‘Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'
dadudemon: 11 seems correct in real life, actually: it doesn't matter who said that because it is true (I would add "it's yours if you want to play my stupid games..or I could just be ovulating and I'm trying to mate with someone
Cry harder about it, if you want, but your crying won't change the fact that both men and women try to attract mates because we are animals. It is similar to a cat meowing for a mate when in heat. It is similar to the pheromones insects emit when they are ready to mate. Humans dressing up in a way to attract a mate is hardly new to sexology. AKA: Women dressing up, provocatively, should not shock you. Just because a rapist says that a woman is wanting to mate by dressing like that, doesn't make him wrong.
Now reply with "zomg! Liek, not all womenz dat dress proactively are looking to mate with someone! RAWR!" Go ahead, I'm ready.
He may not be right for every single case, but he's also not wrong for every single case.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: I know it took you about 15 minutes to come up with this reply. You added nothing new besides re-quoting what I had said, already, in this thread (a second time). I also noticed that you cut off the part that talks about the science of women dressing more provocatively when they ovulate. How convenient?
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I don't think you actually agree with what the rapist said, I think certain things he said overlapped with things you think in not such an absolute form, but you were the one saying "it seems correct in real life" (with only one, non consequential addage), not all the other qualifiers you have tried to bring up since then.
Look, I can quote the actual study...look at me go:
Actually, I do agree with what he said and I quantified how I do. I do not think it is universal, obviously. But it does apply. Just because he's a rapist, doesn't mean he's wrong about reproductive cues that have existed for tens of thousand of years. His quote is also out of context. Do you think he would say the following: "Yes, if you dress sexy, you're looking for s*x 100% of the time."? I don't believe he would conclude that unless he's an idiot. Just the same as the study itself, those quotes are out of context. If you or others are concluding that from his single statement, then I also think that's idiotic.
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