Second Smoking Gun

March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (KC Star), March '01 - 'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (TV Guide), Lone Gunmen co-producer hopes WTC attack wasn't 'somehow inspired' by anything they did. (KC Star)

Given that intelligence shows that the 9/11 attacks took years to execute, it is highly unlikely that even the US government could coordinate something like this in just one year. It's plausible, but highly unlikely.

There is no documentation that any of the writers or the producers had any government information before putting together the pilot episode. I find this to be purely coincedental.

Wow, This is a pretty crappy gun. The whole purpose of this gun is to show that there was prior knowledge.

Originally posted by LMM

Given that intelligence shows that the 9/11 attacks took years to execute, it is highly unlikely that even the US government could coordinate something like this in just one year. It's plausible, but highly unlikely.

Not really, the fAA gave bush 100 warnings that terrorist were plotting something, involving planes.

dude you could have put that on your thread you already had,you didnt have to go and create ANOTHER thread for it.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
dude you could have put that on your thread you already had,you didnt have to go and create ANOTHER thread for it.

You may kindly refrain from posting in these threads since you never add anything worthwhile to the conversation. I appreciate your input, but I'll handle the discussion between Ashtar and myself in my own way. To avoid confusion, each smoking gun will have its own thread.

If starting a new thread for every smoking gun offends you, you are more than welcome to stay away from this forum.

Listen LMM just have a topic for dissproving guns and Ashtar and Parker have a thread for dissproving LMM simple no clogged up forum

Originally posted by quickshot
Listen LMM just have a topic for dissproving guns and Ashtar and Parker have a thread for dissproving LMM simple no clogged up forum

Already exists, but it got clogged up by posts about GOVERNMENT LIES, this is much better

Originally posted by quickshot
Listen LMM just have a topic for dissproving guns and Ashtar and Parker have a thread for dissproving LMM simple no clogged up forum

This is a discussion of the smoking guns one by one. Given the chaos of the previous threads, the only way to keep the thread on topic is to create separate threads for each point. I

will be more than happy to discuss this with Ashtar through PM's, but I wanted an open forum for all to contribute, which is supposed to be what this message board is for.

If having separate threads is a server issue, then the administrator can contact me by email. I'll be happy to throw some money his way. If the issue is that a couple of people want to exert control our the users of this board, all I can say is go read another section of the board.

No its just i want to be able to look through the topics without having to see 200 smoking guns

Originally posted by quickshot
No its just i want to be able to look through the topics without having to see 200 smoking guns

And as new topics emerge, these will be buried.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wow, This is a pretty crappy gun. The whole purpose of this gun is to show that there was prior knowledge.

Not really, the fAA gave bush 100 warnings that terrorist were plotting something, involving planes.

I think we both agree that this one is way out there. We know the government had prior knowledge. Whether Bush directly had accurate knowledge of the impending attack is less certain due to the bureaucracy in Washington. Again, our government is a mess, but it shows incredible incompetency more than a sinister plan.

Originally posted by quickshot
Listen LMM just have a topic for dissproving guns and Ashtar and Parker have a thread for dissproving LMM simple no clogged up forum

thats my point LMM. what are you going to do next make ANOTHER thread saying smoking gun number 3? Like he said,that will just clog up and clutter the whole forum if you keep making multiple threads for each INDIVIDUAL smoking gun.I think I speak for everybody here to keep it to one thread -like smoking guns thread.something liek that.That way if you want to talk about all the guns you dont clutter up the whole forum with multiple threads.again all this could have been addressed on your smoking gun thread,no need to make another.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats my point LMM. what are you going to do next make ANOTHER thread saying smoking gun number 3? Like he said,that will just clog up and clutter the whole forum if you keep making multiple threads for each INDIVIDUAL smoking gun.I think I speak for everybody here to keep it to one thread -like smoking guns thread.something liek that.That way if you want to talk about all the guns you dont clutter up the whole forum with multiple threads.again all this could have been addressed on your smoking gun thread,no need to make another.

Hey, remember the last one?

Well, we wasted enough time, so, I'm picking the third gun.

Originally posted by LMM

Given that intelligence shows that the 9/11 attacks took years to execute, it is highly unlikely that even the US government could coordinate something like this in just one year. It's plausible, but highly unlikely.

There is no documentation that any of the writers or the producers had any government information before putting together the pilot episode. I find this to be purely coincedental.

It's been established that the governemnt knew terrorist were plotting something, as I said before. The FAA gave 100 warnings about attacks involving planes and bin laden, since 1998.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/10/130534.shtml

NewYorkTimes

So, accusations, at least up to 1998 are valid.

1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)

About the norad guns, I should note that it was the first time in 50 YEARS!! Norad stood down.

Yet, You claim it's incompetence, despite the fact it's working to their advantage?

LMM, these guns your picking may be inorder, but, don't cover the bulk of my argument. There are way more strong points that are more convincing then the current ones. I request permissoin to nit pick the guns I want to use for my argument.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
LMM, these guns your picking may be inorder, but, don't cover the bulk of my argument. There are way more strong points that are more convincing then the current ones. I request permissoin to nit pick the guns I want to use for my argument.

You don't have to stick directly with the guns. We can use the specific gun as a point of reference to keep the discussion on topic. If you want to skip over some of the guns, you're welcome to. I think we'll agree that many of them are very weak.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Well, we wasted enough time, so, I'm picking the third gun.

I just hope when you guys discuss the third gun he doesnt go and make ANOTHER thread-smoking gun 3 thread and keeps it to this thread.Like I said,that will just start cluttering up the whole forum if a thread is made for each individual gun.Its okay right now that another thread was made to talk about it even though it wasnt neccassary to make another one,but please LMM,again I think I speak for everybody here,dont make ANOTHER thread each time for each smoking thread,that will just start cluttering up the whole forum.

I told deano the same thing when he made that -the official version is not possible thread,that it wasnt neccessary to make another thread for that,that he could have kept it to the sept 11th thread.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's been established that the governemnt knew terrorist were plotting something, as I said before. The FAA gave 100 warnings about attacks involving planes and bin laden, since 1998.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/10/130534.shtml

NewYorkTimes

So, accusations, at least up to 1998 are valid.

[B]1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)

About the norad guns, I should note that it was the first time in 50 YEARS!! Norad stood down.

Yet, You claim it's incompetence, despite the fact it's working to their advantage? [/B]

thats just being plain ignorant to say it was plain incompetence.the proof is in the pudding that they wanted it to happen in the fact that nobody was fired for their incompetence.many heads should have rolled and there should have been mutiple firings for such incompetence yet not even a slap on the wrist was given to anybody.no it goes beyond being merely incompetent,thats obvious.the warnings were ignored because they wanted it to happen,plain and simple.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I just hope when you guys discuss the third gun he doesnt go and make ANOTHER thread-smoking gun 3 thread and keeps it to this thread.Like I said,that will just start cluttering up the whole forum if a thread is made for each individual gun.Its okay right now that another thread was made to talk about it even though it wasnt neccassary to make another one,but please LMM,again I think I speak for everybody here,dont make ANOTHER thread each time for each smoking thread,that will just start cluttering up the whole forum.

I told deano the same thing when he made that -the official version is not possible thread,that it wasnt neccessary to make another thread for that,that he could have kept it to the sept 11th thread.

Why is that, Parker? So you can muddle yet another thread with completely irrelevant rantings. If you do not like the way I am handling this discussion, you are more than welcome to avoid it. You don't contribute anything useful to these dicussions anyway.

listen LMM Parkers voicing his opinion and he and Ashtar and all of us aiming to dissprove the goverments story put foward a better arguement than you