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... Vaccines And The War On The Human Immune System

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... VACCINES AND THE WAR ON THE HUMAN IMMUNE SYSTEM

'How is it that mercury is not safe for food additives and over the counter drug products, but it is safe in our vaccines and dental amalgams?' -
Dan Burton

Hello all ...

I'm sure most people have heard that famous saying by Arthur Schoepenhouer:

'All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed; Then it is violently opposed; Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.'

The current and historical examples of this are legion and none more so than the 'debate' about vaccinations. You will recall the orchestrated ridicule and opposition faced by those doctors and researchers who have claimed a link between vaccinations and autism and other mental, emotional and physical disorders.

The orchestrator of these vicious campaigns is the pharmaceutical cartel - 'Big Pharma' - and its puppets in government who repeat the lies and impose the policy through corruption or ignorance.

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Schoepenhouer's third stage, that of self-evidence, has long been accepted by those with intelligence and minds that have some measure of independent thought. For them, there are three obvious stages to vaccination programmes, too.

1.) You attack the immune system with chemical and metallic poisons, like mercury.

2.) This undermines the strength and effectiveness of the immune system and scrambles the chemical/electrical balance of the brain/body.

3.) The victims become open to all sorts of medical and mental consequences because of overwhelmed immune systems and chemical/electrical imbalances.

One of the causes of vaccine damage would appear to be inflammation at the base of the brain that dissolves the nerve insulator, myelin. When this happens the brain short-circuits, the body receives flawed information and thus causes dis-harmony - dis-ease. The website, mult-sclerosis.org, puts it like this:

Myelin is an electrically insulating fatty layer that surrounds the axons of many neurons, especially those in the peripheral nervous system. Myelin facilitates the smooth, high-speed transmission of electrochemical messages between the central nervous system and the rest of the body.

When myelin is lost, these signals become distorted or blocked, causing symptoms experienced by people with such diseases as multiple sclerosis and transverse myelitis.'


Once you imbalance the 'electrochemical' system anything can happen

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Don't cry, darling, only another 22 to go ... mummy wants you to be a healthy liddle boy, yes she does ...'

Yet, the UK government, via its staggeringly inept 'Chief Medical Officer', Sir Liam Donaldson, has announced that from April children will have 25 vaccinations before they reach the age of two. Additional vaccinations, he says with absolutely no evidence worth the name, will save 50 lives a year.

Of course, he has nothing to say about how many more lives it will cost or ruin.

Even now these very young British children have 21 vaccinations with four more, alleged to safeguard against meningitis, blood poisoning, pneumonia and bacterial meningitis, to be added next month. If you check out this 'childhood immunisation schedule' you'll see that the situation is much the same in the United States - http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/scheduler_le/schedule.asp

Whenever I hear the term, 'family doctor', my heart sinks and I have visions of 'repeaters' in suits parroting the party line so essential to keeping their job and maintaining the support of the authorities. As Voltaire said: 'It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong'. So much better to close your mind and mind-lessly repeat what you have been told to think, even though it is such blatant nonsense.

It is the system's way to use the carrot for the parrot and the stick to the those who resist. Therefore, it is lucrative for doctors to pressure their patients to have their immune defences, and those of their children, consumed by the cocktail concoctions that issue from corporations like Merck, GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi-Aventis. The nine largest pharma giants made profits of $30.6 billion in 2001 alone, so there is plenty of swill in the pig trough to oil the wheels within wheels and make sure that vaccinations are good for the medical profession, if not for the people they treat.

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The most profitable industries of 2001 with Big Pharma at the top, ahead even of the banking cartel. The world's top five drug companies have a combined worth that is twice the Gross Domestic Product of sub-Saharan Africa.

Source: http://www.newint.org/issue362/facts.htm


The British government offers financial incentives to doctors, known as the Target Payments System, to meet their vaccination quotas and the goal of the government-Big Pharma cartel is compulsory vaccinations. In America they are almost there with all 50 states demanding a large number of vaccinations before children are allowed to attend public schools or day care centres. There are some exceptions, but not many, and the pressure on parents to poison their kids is enormous.

Indeed, refusing to poison your children is presented as a form of child abuse. Such is the Alice in Wonderland world that we live in.

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With a name like familydoctor.org, you'd expect the official view to be blindly presented and there's no disappointment here. It tells me that 'vaccines not only help keep your child healthy, they help all children by stamping out serious childhood diseases'.

Well, that's really strange because my 13-year-old son, Jaymie, has never had a vaccination of any kind in his life and he's never had a 'childhood disease', unlike his vaccinated friends. Also, when his health was checked physically and energetically last year, the practitioner said that Jay was the 'healthiest person I have ever tested'.

His speed of recovery, both from illness and sporting injury, is stunning. Why? Because his immune system is on fire. It only has to fight disease, not open endless other fronts to deal with the shite in vaccinations.

And I do mean shite.

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The following is from my book, Infinite Love Is The Only Truth - Everything Else Is Illusion:

[i]Even the process of making the vaccine includes using monkeys, chick embryos and surgically aborted human foetuses, along with disinfectants and stabilizers that include streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, aluminium, hydrochloride, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, formaldehyde and a mercury derivative called thimerosal. The Diphtheria, Pertussis (whooping cough) and Tetanus vaccine contains the following:

Sodium Hydroxide: among other things, this can burn internal organs, cause blindness, lung and tissue damage, and be fatal if swallowed. It is found in oven, bathroom and toilet cleaners.

Formaldehyde: a neurotoxin known to cause cancer. It may also cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds and skin rashes. It is, appropriately, used to embalm corpses.

Hydrochloric acid: this can destroy tissue on direct contact and is found in aluminium cleaners and rust removers.

Aluminium: toxic cancer causer.

Thimerosal: a mercury derivative and extremely dangerous preservative. It is made from a combination of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are deadly and can cause cancer together with brain and liver damage.

Phosphates: these suffocate all forms of aquatic life and are found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

(For more details see www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/m.../whatsinvax.htm)


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This poisonous trash is attacking the very immune system it is supposed to be supporting and yet in fascist-controlled America parents are being taken to court for not allowing such potential killers to be given to their children. The public is frightened into accepting this tyranny by being told of the potential effects on their children of coming into contact with non-immunised kids. But if they've been vaccinated, there shouldn't be a problem should there?' [/i]

Oh, but there is, it's just that Big Pharma doesn't want you to know. As this newsletter goes out, data from the U.S. government's own data bases, published in the
ournal of American Physicians and Surgeons, , reveals that since mercury was removed from most childhood vaccines after 1999 the reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders in children have plummeted by as much as 35 percent.

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An article at WorldNetDaily.com notes:

Up until about 1989, pre-school children got only three vaccines - polio, DPT and MMR. By 1999, the CDC [Centers for Disease Control] recommended a total of 22 vaccines to be given before children reach the first grade, including Hepatitis B, which is given to newborns within the first 24 hours of birth. Many of these vaccines contained mercury. In the 1990s, approximately 40 million children were injected with mercury-containing vaccines.'

How amazing, then, that rates of autism soared between 1989 and 2003 with now more than half a million autistic children in the United States.

Dr. Rashid Buttar told the Congressional Reform and Oversight Hearing Subcommittee on Wellness & Human Rights, about his remarkable success in treating autism simply by removing mercury from the children's bodies. His own son, Abi, made a full recovery from autism after mercury detoxification. As Dr. Bob Nash, chairman of the American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology, said: 'When 31 children recover from a devastating disease by a simple transdermal treatment that detoxifies metals, then common sense dictates that perhaps metals are involved'.

Oh, but since when was Big Pharma driven by common sense? Common cents is its motivation. Big Pharma and its payrolled puppy dogs in government have told us all along: 'There is no link between autism and vaccinations'.

How did their propaganda go again?

First: 'The people who link autism to vaccines are crazy'.

Second: 'The people who link autism to vaccines are dangerous'.

Only one more stage to go now:

Three: 'The people who link autism to vaccines are right'.

The authors of this new autism report, David A. Geier, B.A. and Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D., warn that people should not be complacent because they are told that mercury-based thimerosal has been removed from many childhood vaccines. Firstly, we are talking childhood vaccines, and second, not all of them. The report says:

'Despite its removal from many childhood vaccines, thimerosal is still routinely added to some formulations of influenza vaccine administered to U.S. infants, as well as to several other vaccines (e.g. tetanus-diphtheria and monovalent tetanus) administered to older children and adults. In 2004, the Institute of Medicine of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences retreated from the stated 1999 goal of the AAP and the PHS to remove thimerosal from U.S. vaccines as soon as possible. ... As a result, assessing the safety of [thimerosal-containing vaccines] is a matter of significant importance.'

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But although there may be dangers, I have heard people say, at least vaccines prevent diseases and have irradiated so many that children used to get.

This is still more repeating. There is nothing more effective in programming perceptions than repetition, especially if it comes from a guy in a suit with letters after his name. But repetition does not mean fact.

They tell you that cases of childhood diseases fell rapidly after vaccines were introduced. But, in truth, this was happening before anyone was vaccinated. It was brought about by better nutrition, sanitation, living conditions and cleaner water. Figures from the Vital Statistics of the United States show that deaths from typhoid fell by 91 percent from 1910 to 1937 and death from diphtheria declined by 90.5 percent in the same period. All this was well before vaccination was introduced. The Journal of Pediatrics could not be clearer:

... The largest historical decrease in morbidity and mortality caused by infectious disease was experienced not with the modern antibiotic and vaccine era, but after the introduction of clean water and effective sewer systems.

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the diseases claimed to have been defeated by vaccination were in sharp decline before anyone was vaccinated.

Think about it. Why are poor countries today ravaged by killer childhood disease epidemics long gone from the 'developed world'? Is it because they are not being vaccinated - as Big Pharma wants us to believe? NO. It's because of the conditions the children have to live in, their general health, or lack of it, and immune system depletion.

A paper published in the Journal of Infection Control in 2001 states:

Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine arrived on the scene only after disease mortality rates already had been reduced significantly; measles, rubella, and polio vaccines did not become available until the middle of the 20th century, when most infant deaths were the result of other causes. The same holds true for sulfa drugs and antibiotics.'

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A Department of Community Medicine paper published in the UK medical journal, The Lancet, in 1977 confirms the same theme. It says of deaths from whooping cough:

'There was a continuous decline equal in each sex, from 1937 onward. Vaccination, beginning on small scale in some places around 1948 and on a national scale in 1957, did not affect the rate of decline if it be assumed that one attack usually confers immunity, as in most major communicable diseases of childhood ...

... The steady decline of whooping cough between 1930 and 1957 is predictive of a linear exponential decay characteristic of a general and progressive lessening in the volume and spread of infection among the susceptible population. With this pattern well established before 1957, there is no evidence that vaccination played a major role in the decline in incidence and mortality in the trend of events.'


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'Trust me, son, I'm a doctor - I know what's good for you.'

The story that vaccines are essential to immunity is just that, a story repeated until it became accepted 'fact'. One of America's most celebrated pediatricians, the late Robert Mendelsohn, MD said:

There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study. They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone to measure the outcome. And since that hasn't been done, that means if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, you'll call people who give vaccines "quacks".'

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There are sound reasons for why the whole concept of vaccines is flawed. This explanation, for instance, comes from Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. at www.russellblaylockmd.com:

'Basically, vaccines contain either killed viruses or bacteria, germ components, toxic extracts or live organisms that have been made less virulent--a process called attenuation. To stimulate an enhanced immune reaction against these organisms, manufacturers added powerful immune-stimulating substances such as squalene, aluminum, lipopolysacchride, etc. These are called immune adjuvants.

The process of vaccination usually required repeated injections of the vaccine over a set period of time. The combination of adjuvants plus the intended organism triggers an immune response by the body, similar to that occurring with natural infections, except for one major difference. Almost none of these diseases enter the body by injection. Most enter by way of the mucous membranes of the nose, mouth, pulmonary passages or GI tract. For example, polio is known to enter via the GI tract. The membranes lining these passages contain a different immune system than activated by direct injection. This system is called the IgA immune system.

It is the first line of defense and helps reduce the need for intense activation of the body's immune system. Often, the IgA system can completely head off an attack. The point being that injecting organisms to induce immunity is abnormal.

Because more and more reports are appearing citing vaccine failure, their manufacturers' answer is to make the vaccines more potent. They do this by making the immune adjuvants more powerful or adding more of them. The problem with this approach is that in the very young, the nutritionally deficient and the aged, over-stimulating the immune system can have an opposite effect--it can paralyze the immune system.'


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The human immune system that can be overwhelmed by the vaccine cocktails peddled by the Frankenstein industry

So what's going on?

Big Pharma knows that the points being made here are valid. It knows the damage that vaccines are doing and it knows that, like most of the Big Pharma drugs, vaccines produce more problems than they are alleged to solve.

So why do they continue to promote them and continually come up with more? Why do governments conspire with the corporations to impose these poisons on children and nations in general?

Is it really just about money and stupidity?

No it's not.

Of course, money is part of it, so is stupidity among ignorant doctors and government 'health' professionals. But there's a bigger picture here.

Big Pharma is an essential arm of the Illuminati and its rapidly unfolding agenda for global control - including the control of human minds, emotions, and physical state.

As I have been stressing for well over a decade now, the Illuminati is at war with the human immune system and the electrochemical communication networks of the brain and body. This is the key understanding that connects vaccinations, pharmaceutical drugs, food and drink additives, like aspartame, fluoride in drinking water, mobile phone and TETRA communication technology (see my newsletter for February 25th), and so much more.

Vaccinations are part of the plan to destabilise us mentally, emotionally and physically because a population suppressed in these ways, and one that doesn't know it is happening, can be controlled far easier than people who are mentally sharp, emotionally stable and physically healthy. In fact, these three states are indivisible.

The consequences of vaccines involve our multi-dimensional connections, too. My great friend, Credo Mutwa, the Zulu high shaman in South Africa, tells me that they will only accept non-vaccinated people to be trained as 'sangomas' (diviners and healers within the tradition of the Zulu and Ndebele native people) because of the affect vaccines have on the ability to get 'out there'. This comes from the way brain chemistry and electrical communication is destabilised.

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Potential sangomas are chosen from non-vaccinated people in the training centre of Credo Mutwa

Personally, I'm sure this can, and is, overcome if your consciousness is strong enough to override the biological computer we call the brain/body. But the point is taken. Vaccines make it a greater challenge.

The merger-mania within Big Pharma is, as with every other aspect of society, centralising power into ever fewer hands with regard to vaccines and drugs. In 1995, 25 companies controlled more than half the global drugs market; by 2000, it was just 15 and the mergers have continued since then.

But this they can only impose their will if we allow them to. We can accept what they say or acquiesce to the playground bullies. We don't have to. It's a choice.
We can choose whether to poison ourselves and our children with vaccinations. We can say 'no'.

I have. My family has. And if the system has a problem with that, tough


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Spreading idiotic nonsense about vaccines endangers the lives of children, which is contemptible.

The reason that things like the link to autism are ridiculued is because they are complete and total nonsense.

It's not your mythical 'big pharm' guys in suits saying that. it is very sensible and intelligent doctors, including a friend of mine, who know exactly what they are talking about and why, with their only motivation being to save lives.


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no, no Ush........there are no such things as antibodies. diseases are actually evil spirits taking up residence in the human body. The only way to fight them are through the use of magic inacantations.


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Hey deano, how much you wanna bet that they didn't even read the article.


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oh then well thats it ush. conspiracy over.

and evil dead, any diseases you get it is probably due to your own fault. if i smoke and get lung cancer then who is to blame? shall we have some vaccine that will fix this? or shall we ban ciggerttes?

if i eat unhealthy food, shall we take medicine to fight heart disease? or should we ban unhealthy food?

do you see the point. these people sell us this rubbish, and then make more money by offering cures. eveyrthing is backwards

mr ickes son has never had a vaccine and yet his doctor claims he is the healthist he has ever seen.

Here is a little secret about how the medical establishment operates:

- If nature made the cure, you cannot patent it...
- If you cannot patent it, you cannot mark it up for megaprofits...
- And that means you cannot pay for TV commercials, you cannot deluge doctors with samples, you cannot endow universities to bless it with their research, and you cannot afford the legal shenanigans to push it through the FDA.

Almost 93% of non-surgical ailments can be cured effectively by controlling what you put in your mouth from nature. Controlling your
food and drink, and enhancing your intake with herbs and supplements.
Nature is the best healer you will ever find, but any breakthroughs as a result of research into natural healing are squashed, before they can affect the profits of all-powerful drug companies.

Drug companies, in their greedy drive for higher profits, have focused on producing drugs which only address the symptoms, often at the expense of worsening the original condition they claim to have been trying to cure. This obviously creates a further profit potential, to sell further drugs to alleviate the additional symptoms. They have violated the Immutable Laws of Nature, imposing their own laws, and in the process have created even more unhappiness and ongoing health problems.

learn that, accept it and move on

oh and emperor they probably didnt read it.


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Hell, in 2000 Doctors were reported as the the third leading cause of death in the United States.

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm


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doctors just follow what they learned in medical school.


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doctors just follow what they learned in medical school.


I'm not blaming them, just stating a point.


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yeh im not blaming them either. im just sayin that they follow what they are taught. they think what they are doing is right.

mercury in the teeth is another issue. the dentist are not knowling putting poison in peoples mouth. they think its fine because its what they have been told to do in dental school.


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Once you have done seven years hard training, which includes criticical evaluation of it via application of the scientific method, then you might possibly have the right to criticise its content. Otherwise you are clueless ignorants pissing in the wind.


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The world is just one big conspiracy, might aswell end your life Deano as it don't look to good for us humans.

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no it seems you are the ignorant one ush. take the blinkers off and look harder. or is it that you are scared?

''Almost 93% of non-surgical ailments can be cured effectively by controlling what you put in your mouth from nature. Controlling your
food and drink, and enhancing your intake with herbs and supplements.''

i'll let that sink in

and magee we could kill ourselves...or maybe we could make a better world for the future. what do you want?


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Once you have done seven years hard training, which includes criticical evaluation of it via application of the scientific method, then you might possibly have the right to criticise its content. Otherwise you are clueless ignorants pissing in the wind.


Which is why doctors are the third leading cause of death in the US at one point?


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no it seems you are the ignorant one ush. take the blinkers off and look harder. or is it that you are scared?

''Almost 93% of non-surgical ailments can be cured effectively by controlling what you put in your mouth from nature. Controlling your
food and drink, and enhancing your intake with herbs and supplements.''

i'll let that sink in

and magee we could kill ourselves...or maybe we could make a better world for the future. what do you want?


That's just a line. It has no credibility behind it- it is JUST a line from no-one of any great intelligence or qualification to pronounce on the matter.

I cannot believe you are as feeble as to give a line like "Oh this, child is ok, therefore vaccination must be false."

That is one of the stupidest mistakes of logic anyone can make. It's like showing someone who has not died from smoking, and saying that therefore smoking is safe. It is SO dumb! What about all the people that HAVE died, hmm?

And so in this case- great, one unvaccinated guy hasn't died. What about all the unvaccinated kids that HAVE died from such diseases, even simple ones like measles?

Why don't you compare the disease/death rates on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated kids? That will shut you up pretty quick.

Your charts above are contemptible- unsourced, and of poor analytical quality on the bars, suddenly stopping at the 60s with imaginiary bars continuing on after them that have no relation to reality. Total crap.

What about the decline in measles directly attributable to vaccination, and a rise in it directly attributable to people NOT using vaccines because of dumbass scares like this one?

What about the eradication of smallpox by vaccination?

You have even, for no reason, included pencillin and suplhanimides on your charts above. They aren't even vaccines, but are you really going to pretend they don't do anything?

You mention things like scarlet fever. What do you really know of that? My father nearly died of it. Kids used to die of it all the time, precisely because we lacked the medical technology to deal with it. Sulphanomide saved his life and therefore I owe mine to it. Use of such antibiotics and vaccines stopped that dead. Yeah, it was in SLOW decline, But it was stopped DEAD. Large numbers of kids do not drop dead of that at school age any more.

And you are making this out to be a conspiracy? These things that save lives and ease suffering? Your views are contemptible and insulting. Frankly, howe DARE you insult these people who saved my father's life, so many children's lives., and have brought so much good?

Both of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, you really should. You are spouting crap about something you have no knowldge of.

My Doctor friend is at least ten times more intelligent than either of you- I have known him for nearly two decades and I can guarantee that for usre. And he's taken me, step by step, through the evidnece about the MMR/autism link. he has showed me without doubt that the link is a pile of SHITE, totally discredited. You think they are taught some mythical nosense that they just approt? That's total horsehit. They are tuaght a SCIENCE. They see WHY it works as well as what works. They know the base principles and they can perofrm continuous experiments to show why. And it is only by these 'whys' that they can advance their science. And they have little respect for big pharmas that make drugs so expensive.

And as for Doctors being a cause of death- THAT is like saying that more people die in hospitals than in snack bars. Therefore when you are ill, go to MacDonalds. It such logical idiocy I am amazed anyone is saying it in this day and age. Of course people die in surgery or under the care of Doctors- they are ill. Doctors, by nature of their work, work with those who are in great danger of dying. But if you check the survival rates of seriously ill people who do not go to hospital and compare to those who do... again, you'd shut up pretty quick.

See, i HAVE actually looked. That's why I know you are posting crap. You are posting this because it suits YOUR blinkered view of the way the world is. But crap like this has cost lives already and will continue to do so so long as people like you spread it.

For shame.


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That's just a line. It has no credibility behind it- it is JUST a line from no-one of any great intelligence or qualification to pronounce on the matter.


no its true. you eat healthy. your immune sysytem is strong and more likely to withstain attacks.

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I cannot believe you are as feeble as to give a line like "Oh this, child is ok, therefore vaccination must be false."


[quote]That is one of the stupidest mistakes of logic anyone can make. It's like showing someone who has not died from smoking, and saying that therefore smoking is safe. It is SO dumb! What about all the people that HAVE died, hmm?



i never said all vaccines are bad did i? im saying that surely there doesnt need to be that many administrated at such a young age especially.. its nto stupid logic either. if a doctor says you are the healthiest he has ever seen, then you have to look at why. vaccines do the immune sysytems work.

''according to many doctors the worst thing we can do is depress our immune system with these toxins. Some believe the cancer epidemic is directly related to the increase of mandated vaccinations. Others believe the AIDS epidemic in Africa is due to contaminated polio vaccines given to 10 million Africans in the 1970’s. (link) And others show a clear link to autism developing in healthy children shortly after rounds of DPT and MMR vaccinations. ''

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And so in this case- great, one unvaccinated guy hasn't died. What about all the unvaccinated kids that HAVE died from such diseases, even simple ones like measles?


again you twist things. yes im sure un vaccinated people have died. you miss the point clearly though

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Why don't you compare the disease/death rates on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated kids? That will shut you up pretty quick.


ok i have: below is one such result. as that shut you up. and actually again that is pretty interesting because iknow my close freind who has never been vaccinated either and he is probably the healthist i have seen. never been ill in his life. thats another example

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/unvaccinated.html

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Your charts above are contemptible- unsourced, and of poor analytical quality on the bars, suddenly stopping at the 60s with imaginiary bars continuing on after them that have no relation to reality. Total crap.


in your opinion

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What about the decline in measles directly attributable to vaccination, and a rise in it directly attributable to people NOT using vaccines because of dumbass scares like this one?

What about the eradication of smallpox by vaccination?


you love missing the point. i never said all vaccinations are bad. i said i doubt so many are needed.

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You have even, for no reason, included pencillin and suplhanimides on your charts above. They aren't even vaccines, but are you really going to pretend they don't do anything?

You mention things like scarlet fever. What do you really know of that? My father nearly died of it. Kids used to die of it all the time, precisely because we lacked the medical technology to deal with it. Sulphanomide saved his life and therefore I owe mine to it. Use of such antibiotics and vaccines stopped that dead. Yeah, it was in SLOW decline, But it was stopped DEAD. Large numbers of kids do not drop dead of that at school age any more.


again my comment above applys to this also. you are trying to say i think all vaccines and medicine are bad. you are twisting everything.

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And you are making this out to be a conspiracy? These things that save lives and ease suffering? Your views are contemptible and insulting. Frankly, howe DARE you insult these people who saved my father's life, so many children's lives., and have brought so much good?

Both of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, you really should. You are spouting crap about something you have no knowldge of.


dont tell me what i can say. im not insulting anybody at all. wasnt doctors the third leading cause of death at one time? again thanks for twisting EVERYTHING I SAY.

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My Doctor friend is at least ten times more intelligent than either of you- I have known him for nearly two decades and I can guarantee that for usre. And he's taken me, step by step, through the evidnece about the MMR/autism link. he has showed me without doubt that the link is a pile of SHITE, totally discredited. You think they are taught some mythical nosense that they just approt? That's total horsehit. They are tuaght a SCIENCE. They see WHY it works as well as what works. They know the base principles and they can perofrm continuous experiments to show why. And it is only by these 'whys' that they can advance their science. And they have little respect for big pharmas that make drugs so expensive



WOW so you know a doctor who thinks that autism cant be linked with vaccines. well some people know this guy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...1/21/nmmr21.xml

who is a doctor and he might tell you otherwise.

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And as for Doctors being a cause of death- THAT is like saying that more people die in hospitals than in snack bars. Therefore when you are ill, go to MacDonalds. It such logical idiocy I am amazed anyone is saying it in this day and age. Of course people die in surgery or under the care of Doctors- they are ill. Doctors, by nature of their work, work with those who are in great danger of dying. But if you check the survival rates of seriously ill people who do not go to hospital and compare to those who do... again, you'd shut up pretty quick.


its not saying that at all. if everyone eats healthy then you have a healhtier world and wont need as any vaccines and medicines. simple logic. we live in a world where we allow places like mcdonalds to run. we live in aworld where we allow ciggarettes. then run to the doctors when something happens to us. im QUESTIONING THAT LOGIC. thanks for twisting things again


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See, i HAVE actually looked. That's why I know you are posting crap. You are posting this because it suits YOUR blinkered view of the way the world is. But crap like this has cost lives already and will continue to do so so long as people like you spread it.

For shame.


you have looked and you are posting what suits your beliefs. you are all one way and refuse to look at anything that questions otherwise.

that is why the world is like it is because of people like you

shame


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so eating healthy will prevent mumps, measels, polio, etc.?


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im sure it wont protect against everything. but in most cases it will.

all the friends i have known have gotten ill as i recall. except the guy who's parents wouldnt allow him to be vaccinated. coincidence? you tell me.


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