no, if english talent is there, it will be spotted.
Wayne rooney for example, foreigners didnt stop him did they?
His raw talent got him where he is now.
The only problem is that there are ore overseas players in a team than englishman. Average englishman just dont play. To play you have to be a very good player, simple as that.
And the harsh fact is that there are consistantly more better overseas players.
I regularly watch England U21's and a couple of Under 19's internationals and they have great talent.
English players arn't usually skilful and dont have the european talent that seems to win over english managers. I don't think for a second any of the top 4 teams in England would have bought a player like Jamie Carragher.
Get their fingers out and perhaps look beyond West Ham and Southampton's youth academy for up and coming talents.
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I don't think it's ruining English talent, I think what's wrong is Championship and lower clubs are demanding way too much money for their English players purely because they're English.
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You've got it spot on their my man, for instance Dave Nugent went to Pompy for something like £6million, that baffles me because he aint that good and perhaps maybe because he poached big time for a goal for england.
There are alot of Scotland Internationals being snapped up for cheap by english clubs, like Miller, Beattie, Russell Anderson and Ross Wallace. It just aint fair.
Signing carrick for £18 million or so, my opinion is that he was an england international and he HAD to play for a big team since he is the next gen in england players...? PLEASE, anyone who is anyone in the england game has to have a huge price tag on their head, I would love to see any team OUTSIDE the english Prem put a bid in for more than £8 for Carrick.
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i think its interesting how little british players fare and are successful overseas. there just hasnt been that many. linekar was possibly the last decent british player to do well overseas?
the fact that players are bought and sold at the prices they are is quite silly anyway. didnt thierry go for £14million? how cheap is that. hes not even that old, 30ish? thats still good age for a footballer.
I was shocked when I read this, I was in ibiza during the whole thing and had to rely on the "great british tabloids" to inform me. £16million for a world class international striker? he was valued at £30+million a season before. He had 4 years remaining on his contract, I'm surprised that Wenger didn't use that for more cash.
If I was Thierry I would be a little bit down-hearted by that price tag. Walking into Barca team at that price? no matter how big his rep was I think even he thinks it was a joke.
Football prices are getting silly beyond believe, Rio Ferdinand for £29? shevchenko? I mean the English league is takin the mickey. The only buy I can think of which seemed worthwhile (over 12million) is Rooney from Everton.
There is a rule in the Scottish Premier League that each 18 man squad (7 subs), there has to be at least 3 under21's in the lineup for each game. It must be frustrating for fringe players to see 18,19 year olds keeping the bench warm. England should maybe adapt a similar rule tho.
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I don´t think this can´t be answered with a straight yes or no.
Some talented top foreign players can, due to their input, influence and in a way teach the younger players who are coming through. The problem is that maybe the players who are coming through are also foreigners. For example Theo Walcott probably learned a lot from Henry whilst he was at Arsenal, and he´s a good example to follow.
English players are way to expensive, Carrick £18 was a great example of that. But why are they so expensive?
What people tend to forget is the actual pool of players to choose from also effects the national squad. If you´ve got a large population of people playing football then your going to get more world class players. England is a small country where people play all sorts of sports like Rugby, Cricket, Darts etc which brings down the available choice of young talent down further.
Brazil is the sixth most populated country in the world with over 200 Million people and the majority play football as a sport whether it be on the beech or the skillfull "futebol de salão", England has a 1/4 of that population and they play various sports. This also explains why countries like Cyprus, Andorra etc arn´t very effective on the pitch.
If you consider this then England can´t be expected to be a top world beater.
(Mind you this argument goes out the window when you look at Rugby and the All blacks)
Its not the foreigners fault. If I was a foreigner I´d jump at he chance to play in the premiere division.
England are "average" (not shit) because of the pool of talent to choose from, the fact that English players are for some reason over priced and the youth system, that is the coaching of young players isn´t skill based, but more physical at a younger age.
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