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Well i would say that i believe that anime can be much more then just a cartoon, its can even be a equal to nay movie for me. But as i voted it depends on the show ,movie, or type of anime. Like say something as bad as DBZ, thats a bad cartoon to me. But a movie like Princess Moniyoko (forgot how to spell it), was wonderful and as good as any movie to me. I have grown to like anime a lot i even draw anime (im actually not bad), so anime is very important to me, but still i could do without some (example. DBZ DB DBGT Pokemon and so on). Most creators of anime ushally put adult rating on them so they get adults to appreciate the work gone into these movie or shows.
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What else is anime?Its not live action or CG...therefore it is a cartoon.Anime means cartoon from Japan.No matter how you *try*to make it out,thats all they will ever be.
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I just, for some reason, don't like when people refer to anime as cartoons...don't ask why
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Of course anime are cartoons. No, I don't care; why should I? Nothing wrong with cartoons.
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Hardcore fans will want to say "foul" as would calling a manga a comic book. I'm not hardcore, but I still differentiate both type of mediums.
Anime covers a lot of ground from kiddy cute, blood and gore, pornography, etc. Most cartoons that are being associated are geared predominantly towards the younger crowd, with exception of things like Fritz or the Heavy Metal series (both also found in a comic book medium).
Depending on where you live, animes may or may not appear to be cartoons to the general populace as well. Cardcaptors for example, was butchered when it came to the United States, but if it left subjects of adult to minor relationships and homosexuality (apparently still not generally accepted) as the Japanese version had, then people may classify it a little bit more.
And on mangas, they cover far more subject matters than regular comics. There is even ones on cooking.
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Even without any censorship, Batman: the Animated Series was far more mature than Card Captor Sakura, Pokemon, or Digimon--dispite the fact that they're all "kid's" cartoons. I admit that they're aren't many American cartoons aimed specifically at adults (the Spawn animated series is the only one that comes to mind). Many people I know consider Mask of the Phantasm (the first feature animated Batman film) to be one of the best animated films ever.
Comics cover a lot more teratory than most non-comic fans seem to realize. I doubt that you could name a major genre, and are geared for a much wider audience. If you want comics geared for adults, for example, you owe it to yourself to check out DC's Vertigo line.
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Interesting opinions...
I do agree that just because something is animated that doesn't mean that it's a cartoon. To me, most cartoons are geared towards little kids, and have no real plot. (E.g. Spongebob Squarepants)
Anyway, please keep posting.
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I am also a comic fan but i think i can say that it goes either way some comics do go in a "lot more territory" but some times there animated counter part is better to (exp. Bleach).
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You have got to be kidding me. Either that or you think that you need gore and nudity for "adult themes." Or you've never actually seen the movie. Or there are really a huge number of children's books about lost love and the extent to which personal vengeance can be justified, and I somehow missed them.
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I dont need any of that, but even though i hate it i must admit those do help, but the real thing is no matter what you call it ,it is just another batman cartoon. I have seen it and i have hated it, i even remember the original batman cartoon better then that.
What cartoon now a days dont bring up lost love and vengeance, most of the batman bad guys want vengeance on something. And the whole batman thing is based on lost love and vengeance. Like his parents getting killed so he goes gets vengeance by becoming the batman. Im sorry but in the end it was just another batman Saturday cartoon episode to me.
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That doesn't mean those aren't adult themes, it just means that cartoons are getting more mature. Anyone who's seen the original and new TMNT cartoons could have told you that. And you could use that sort of logic to say that basically anything is immature. Is Princess Mononoke a kid's cartoon because it's theme is reminiscent of Captain Planet?
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I think it does, because kids seem to be use to this stuff, its every day stuff to kids now a days. The standard of "kids stuff" is changing, just like the tolerance of swear words. 10 years ago you couldn't say *** on TV.
I agree with you there.
I could say Princess Mononoke is not a kids cartoon because of the violence and the mature story line, and all the morals that come with the movie (like the balance of humans and nature). And hate to say but this movie has nothing to do with Captain planet, that was about pollution, bu the movie was about humans and animals trying to fight for control.
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The conflict between the humans and animals is caused by the human's destruction of the forest. The general theme--destruction of nature by humanity--is the same.
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Times have changed where violence and other themes are more tolerated on television, but not to the level some animes are given (i.e. falling anvils on Looney Toon characters don't qualify the same as a death). Sure there are exceptions to the rule of genres beyond the kiddy theme, but there is not many alternatives to call it other than a cartoon or just animation.
Calling an anime a cartoon says it belongs to one or just a couple of categories and just doesn't give it justice. Animes are made with a different quality that is not always emphasized in other animated mediums. Sure there were a little heart wrenching scenes in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, but an emotion twister doesn't justify a classification that the cartoons we associate with are on the level of animes. Otherwise, I would have said Beauty and the Beast the same way.
Captain Planet and Princess Monomoke? How can they be similar? Captain Planet, regardless, was geared towards children. The cast to conjure him were children to help children relate to these characters. Princess Monomoke has definitely more depth than this.
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I would argue that a lot of anime (Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, and so forth) aren't even close to the same "level" as a lot of American cartoons. And that's why I'm bothered by people who think that calling anime cartoons somehow "degrades" it.
Have you ever seen an anime called Blood: the Last Vampire? It had blood/gore, and that was all it had--the characters were card-board, and the plot could have been come up with by an average ten-year old: vampire hunter fights vampires! Woo! And yet, even though it has less plot and character interactions than the average Scooby Doo episode, people look at it and go, "Ooh, blood! What an adult-oriented animated feature!" I guess what I'm saying here is just because American cartoons are "cleaner" than the average anime, it doesn't mean they're necissarily less mature.
I'm not saying Captain Planet and Princess Mononoke are similiar, exactly; I'm saying that they have a similiar theme in that they're both concerned with the environment--this in response to someone who claimed that vengeance couldn't be an adult theme because it appears in a lot of kids shows.
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I have seen that movie and actually for a 45 minute movie it was pretty good. Saying "It had blood/gore, and that was all it had--the characters were card-board, and the plot could have been come up with by an average ten-year old" is something way off, your saying that a ten year old could come up with a very dark, Alone, independent girl that feel outcast because she is the last vampire, so she takes out her frustrations on other demons to save real humans because she really just wants to be like them "normal"? I think not. And if you didn't catch all the character points to get what i just typed out go watch it again, because she is dark and angry about life she doesn't talk much, so for lazy viewers i could see why u might have missed these character points, none of the other character are portrayed very much but they just want you to get the girl. And its a 45 minute movie c'mon. So i doubt a kid could think or even want to watch a movie about a vamp that doesn't even talk, or share her feeling or give great reasons why she will save the world blah blah blah.
I could have sworn that you did think they were similar, but ok. Any way as i said before captain planet was more about pollution and stopping the PEOPLE behind it, really nothing about animals other then they need the pollution gone to live to. Also CP was about the present and about technology hurting things, and talked about recycling and so on. PM was about nothing about polluting but making a world like ours today were we cut trees and hurt animals, so they rebel to keep there home. And with this all going on one kid tries to make a balance. I could go on with the many morals in thins movie but i think i could make a list go on for a awhile so i wont lol. So in the end there really nothing alike other then there a good guy and a bad guy and they fight lol, and there are animals in both.
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