Deidara and Sasori go down to Shizuku and Franklin. Shizuku's Vacuum can suck up their clay, gas, darts and even Sasori's puppets all at once since they aren't living. Sasori would just be left as heart in a jar. Franklin shoots the art nerds with his Nen Bullets.
Feitan can speedblitz the crap out of any and all of them, heck if we say he goes after Itachi, his standard method of fighting would work perfectly against him.
Ubogin could punch with enough force to atomize the ground he was standing on. A katana that cut through concrete like hot butter, could barely pierce a millimeter in his already open wound. He grabbed a bullet with his teeth when the gun that shot it was pointed at his face. You'd have to pack more power than a rifle in order to start hurting him.
Phinx is capable of outright one-shotting anyone in Akatsuki after say three seconds of fighting given the speed he can spin his arm.
And then there's Bonorenofu's Jupiter, Shalnark's Black Voice Ariel, Lucifer's crazy shit, Pakunoda's memory bullets, and other crazy powers.
GR win this.
lmao!!!!!!! bullets????? come ON. naruto characters are hitting characters midair hundreds of times in less than the blink of an eye from the distance of a footbal field away. not to mention there are two canonical lightspeed characters, haku and madara. not to mention, supervillianiy like creating flames hotter than the sun or creating electrical discharges along geographic proportions or creating pire blasts larger than 10 kilometres in radius.
as for speed,. body flicker alone is faster than anything shown thus far ins hunter x hunter.
The Akatsuki better not make the mistake of fighting Ubo and Phinx head on. Because I tell ya, it will be gruesome. A nen-powered hit from any of these 2 will severely cripple/kill any of the Akatsuki. No one in Naruto ever showed exceptional durability that would make them last long against the Reinforcement guys.
The Akatsuki should also not make the mistake of only severely injuring Feitan and not killing him IMMEDIATELY, because in that case its basically over for everyone. That's assuming they can even catch him.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
naruto characters are at a higher level of power than hunter x hunter.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not to mention there are two canonical lightspeed characters, haku and madara.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
body flicker alone is faster than anything shown thus far ins hunter x hunter.
I’ve come up with some calculations for Sasuke’s speed circa the end of the Chuunin Exams, which should come in handy (I’ve used some of these same calculations before, but I’ve collected more data this time around). Since Sasuke’s speed at the time was said to be roughly equal to Rock Lee with his weights removed, I’ll look at Lee first. In this image:You can see Lee moving so fast that he vanishes from Dosu’s eyesight. According to this website:
http://www.shininghalf.com/soujiro/s...i.html#brother
Lee would probably need to move at least 120 miles per hour in order to pull off that feat with a normal person.
Note: It is possible that Lee was using the First Gate to increase his speed here, but I consider it unlikely; every time Lee’s used the Lotus technique he’s barely been able to move afterwards, but, when Lee performed Dancing Leaf Shadow on Sasuke, he was able to run laps around Konoha immediately afterwards, which implies that the Gates’ power doesn’t come in until the Lotus attack proper (a.k.a. the spinning part).
But 120 mph is for normal humans. Dosu is a ninja and has demonstrated greater than human reaction time. First he uses a sound jutsu to break apart this log that was falling towards him at the same time he was jumping towards it.
Then, later, he dodges a kunai thrown by Sakura.
Who earlier had shown the ability to throw a kunai fast enough to pin Naruto to a tree from many feet away before he can begin falling.
This indicates at least a small degree of superhuman reaction time, let’s say twice what a normal human being would be capable of. If this is the case, then Lee would have to be moving at 240 mph to vanish from Dosu’s sight.
But that’s Lee with his weights on; how fast is Lee with his weights removed. Well, we can determine that by figuring out the mass of his leg weights. In the room where the Chuunin Exam prelims took place, we see one of Orochimaru’s henchmen, Yoroi Akado, cracking the floor after falling from roughly the same height Lee would later drop his weights from.
However, since Sasuke kicked Yoroi downwards at the same moment he hit the floor, Yoroi hit the ground with more than just the force of gravity. Considering a kick from Sasuke could knock Yoroi that high in the air in the first place, it seems reasonable to say that Yoroi hit the ground with twice the force he would have if he fell normally. According to Yoroi’s entry in Wikipedia (which I trust someone will correct me on if it’s inaccurate), he weighed 70 kilograms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Sound#Yoroi_Akado. Of course, all that weight didn’t hit the ground at once; it was mainly just his torso, which we can say makes up about a third of his weight, or 23 kilograms, which means he hit the floor with the force that a 46 kilogram weight would if falling from that height.
Now compare the cracks Yoroi’s fall made with the craters Lee’s weights made when dropped from roughly the same height:
Given the greater destruction caused by Lee’s weights, I’d say they hit the ground with at least five times the force that Yoroi did, meaning each leg was carrying around 230 kilograms, for a total of 460 kilograms. Rock Lee’s weight is about 50 kilograms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Lee).
This means that, when Lee wears his weights, he weighs 510 kilograms, roughly ten times what he weighs when his weights are removed. Since Lee’s leg muscles exert the same force whether his weights are on or not, we can figure it out using the scientific equation Force = Mass x Acceleration, or, rephrased for our purposes, Acceleration = Force/Mass. This equation means that, if the Force exerted remains constant, but Mass is decreased to 10% of what it previously was, then Acceleration will increase ten times. Therefore, when Lee takes his weights off, his speed goes from 240 miles per hour to 2400 miles per hour, which roughly comes to 1100 meters per second.
Here’s where Sasuke comes into play. For starters we see Sasuke fight more than Rock Lee, so determining other characters speed from his is simpler. Second, so far this is just movement speed, not reaction speed, but we can figure out Sasuke’s reaction speed from these scans:
Sasuke charges at Gaara’s sand shell at full speed and simultaneously avoids the sand spikes that come off of it. We see the sand spikes being maybe a few inches long in the first scan, and then some over a meter long in the next, all in the time it took for Sasuke’s Chidori to go from half a foot from the sand shell to piercing it, but let’s be cautious and say they’re only going half as fast as Sasuke was running, 550 m/s. So Sasuke’s approaching the spikes at 1100 m/s, and the spikes are approaching Sasuke at 550 m/s, which means Sasuke could dodge attacks that were, from his perspective, coming at him at 1650 m/s. So the grand total is:
Sasuke Uchiha:
Movement Speed: 1100 m/s
Reaction Speed: 1650 m/sKeep in mind this is Sasuke at the end of the Chuunin Exams without the aid of the Cursed Seal. With a three-tomoe Sharingan, timeskip training, and the added chakra of the Cursed Seal, current Sasuke is undeniably faster in both categories. How much faster is something I can’t really find enough evidence to speculate on at this point.
Originally posted by Red
I thought it was consensus that naruto characters moved faster than sound?Higher tier characters can move pretty damn close to the speed of light.The highest "speed" in Dragonball/Z is Shouten Idou, ie Instant Transmission. It's possible that Super Vegito at his peak could move around FTL but that's likely impossible.
How the **** does the weakest in power, speed and abilites do any character in Naruto go FTL if none of the high tier DBZ characters can? The closet we have to this is Super Gotenks lapping the planet 8 times in less then a minute.
1. No time frame is given
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/362/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/362/16-17/Notice that small bit? That bit between the last time panel in which sasuke is shown and the lasst TWO panels in which the little pumpkin head is radiating light then exploding? Yeah, that could be like 3 minutes, and given the trope of all anime explosions radiating light for an unknown but lengthy amount of time that ain't, as they say, shit. To re-iterate if that is a mere 3 seconds sasuke ain't hyper nothing. If its 5 he ain't even.
2. The action of summoning the manda and hypnotizing it is a matter of Jutsu speed, which is completely unconnected to physical speed. Something that Gai EASILY demonstrates. Kakashi is impressed by the seal speed of itachi, but his physical speed isn't up to gai who in turn doesn't have his seal speed.
3. Hypnosis takes meeting of the eyes, a task not all that impressive to do quickly as it is naturally something that even a fat stupid human being could do in less than a second.
4. He was for all his speed too slow. He failed to escape before the blast overtook him and the manda died for it.
5. Explosion speed is a trope in how slow it is. A trope that Kishimoto has already bought into with ten ten outrunning an explosion.
Now JoeGear, it is your turn.
Itachi's and Tobi's genjutsu are really the main reaons why Akatsuki would probably win here. Without that, I'd give it to the Ryodan for reasons already given.
Like previously stated, the clay and puppets can all be sucked up by Shizuku and wide range attacks like Jupiter and Pain Packer can do major damagae to the team as a whole. And physically, the Ryodan are much stronger and just as fast and there isn't much they can to Ubogin's durability.