The Official DBZ "Tier" Thread

There seems to be some confusion and misunderstanding when it comes to dealing with the power/tiers in DBZ. Either some fans exaggerate the DBZ cast or underestimate them, at any rate the purpose of this thread is to centralize(SP?)all tier discussion as it relates to the DBZ franchise. With that, I would like to present my version of the DBZ hierarchy and how they would compare with mainstream comics (Marvel/DC).

Top Tier: Vegetto, Super Buu

High Tier: Ultimate Buu, Mystic Gohan,

Mid Tier: Evil Buu, SSJ3 Gotenks

Low Tier: Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku

Bottom Tier: Fat Buu, SSJ2 Vegta

Every character on this list is IMO a herald level being. I believe chars from the “mid tier/high tier”would fall under “mid herald” while the top guys like Vegetto could easily be high herald level. Its open for debate of course but this is just a tier list that I personally believe to be fairly accurate.

first of all ssj3 goku is DEFINITELY stronger than ssj 3 gotenks, and also stronger than mystic gohan. the fusions are stronger than he is, but a full power ssj 3 goku is the strongest character imo. the only real debate between whos stronger is mystic and ssj 3 goku, and i believe from what was shown that its clear ssj 3 goku was stronger. kid buu trails just a tiny bit behind

There should be a unique hierarchy for each saga, besides you got the names mixed up.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
There seems to be some confusion and misunderstanding when it comes to dealing with the power/tiers in DBZ. Either some fans exaggerate the DBZ cast or underestimate them, at any rate the purpose of this thread is to centralize(SP?)all tier discussion as it relates to the DBZ franchise. With that, I would like to present my version of the DBZ hierarchy and how they would compare with mainstream comics (Marvel/DC).

Top Tier: Vegetto, Super Buu

High Tier: Ultimate Buu, Mystic Gohan,

Mid Tier: Evil Buu, SSJ3 Gotenks

Low Tier: Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku

Bottom Tier: Fat Buu, SSJ2 Vegta

Every character on this list is IMO a herald level being. I believe chars from the “mid tier/high tier”would fall under “mid herald” while the top guys like Vegetto could easily be high herald level. Its open for debate of course but this is just a tier list that I personally believe to be fairly accurate.

I pretty much agree with this list as a scale, but I say the highest on the DBZ scale, are mid herald level

Originally posted by chickenlover98
first of all ssj3 goku is DEFINITELY stronger than ssj 3 gotenks, and also stronger than mystic gohan. the fusions are stronger than he is, but a full power ssj 3 goku is the strongest character imo. the only real debate between whos stronger is mystic and ssj 3 goku, and i believe from what was shown that its clear ssj 3 goku was stronger. kid buu trails just a tiny bit behind

As for the list I think Fat Buu and Kid Buu need to be moved up but that's just my opinion. Besides that I think the list is fine. I don't think Vegetto is high herald though mor like mid. And trying to place the other characters would be a challenge.

Originally posted by Kento
What did Gokou show that made him seem stronger? Admitting Super Buu was more powerful, hoping Gotenks absorbed Buu wouldn't kill him before Gohan found the Potara earring, saying Gohan could beat Buu now when Gotenks unfused and not saying he could do it, being barley able to take on Fat Buu while Gohan was able to completely own Super Buu which is the stronger version. As for Gotenks he was able to stalemate Super Buu. It's clear he's more powerful. He's just stupid and inexperienced. He may not take a majority of wins against Gokou because of that mixed with the short time limit he has at ssj3 but he was more powerful.

As for the list I think Fat Buu and Kid Buu need to be moved up but that's just my opinion. Besides that I think the list is fine. I don't think Vegetto is high herald though mor like mid. And trying to place the other characters would be a challenge.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
what makes him stronger is that he could have beat kid buu, the strongest buu, if he had been fully powered. hes also faster, seeing as trunks and goten cant even go super saiyan 2 individually, a super saiyan 3 gotenks isnt faster.

Because Trunks and Goten can't do something....has what to do with Gotenks who can go ssj3 and have proven himself to be more powerful. And being more powerful means being faster.

Originally posted by Kento
Kid Buu isn't the strongest though I do think he's stronger than Super Buu without anybody absorbed...and um the only reason Gokou could have won and that's even if he could have is because the Buu's durability isn't that good and he could disintegrate him easily. He wasn't more powerful than Kid Buu. Kid Buu was actually playing around while Gokou was trying to kill him and failing.

Because Trunks and Goten can't do something....has what to do with Gotenks who can go ssj3 and have proven himself to be more powerful. And being more powerful means being faster.

And Gokou admitting neither he nor Vegeta can win means nothing after Buu returns to Super Buu when they are inside? Because he knows how powerful he is and Gokou isn't one to say he can't win if he can't win. Or when Vegeta tells about his plan to revive everybody on Earth Gokou's first words are about getting Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu. And Vegeta doesn't go ssj2 until he tries to stall Kid Buu. Both he and Gokou stay ssj inside Buu never going higher until they fight Kid Buu and have no other choice but to fight. Not to mention Gokou is so worried about being unable to save his sons from Buu's blast he knew he couldn't block that he couldn't even IT away.

Originally posted by Kento
And Gokou admitting neither he nor Vegeta can win means nothing after Buu returns to Super Buu when they are inside? Because he knows how powerful he is and Gokou isn't one to say he can't win if he can't win. Or when Vegeta tells about his plan to revive everybody on Earth Gokou's first words are about getting Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu. And Vegeta doesn't go ssj2 until he tries to stall Kid Buu. Both he and Gokou stay ssj inside Buu never going higher until they fight Kid Buu and have no other choice but to fight. Not to mention Gokou is so worried about being unable to save his sons from Buu's blast he knew he couldn't block that he couldn't even IT away.

There is a huge difference in Gokou admitting he can't win after feeling somebodies power and knowing his own limits than Cell saying he can destroy the solar system. And Gokou may not be smart but he can tell who is stronger than him and knows his own limits. Why else did he put Gohan against Cell even though Gohan didn't think he was strong enough. Vegeta didn't disagree either with it and he felt Gokou's power at ssj3. You really believe Gokou wouldn't have blocked a blast he knew he could have to save his sons after being all depressed about not being able to? This is Gokou he does what he can to save everybody if he has the power.

I see it like this

power-wise

Vegito>>Gohan absorbed Buu>Gotenks absorbed Buu>Mystic Gohan>Kid Buu>>Super Buu=Gotenks>SS3 Goku

Kid Buu is the strongest form. Supreme Kai said so because he is also Buu at his purest form.

I haven't watched Dragonball Z in forever but how the hell do you forget that?

Originally posted by superchron
I see it like this

power-wise

Vegito>>Gohan absorbed Buu>Gotenks absorbed Buu>Mystic Gohan>Super Buu=Gotenks>SS3 Goku

Oops

Originally posted by chickenlover98
what makes him stronger is that he could have beat kid buu, the strongest buu, if he had been fully powered.

Have you even watched that fight at all?

He could have beaten Fat Buu but he had been fighting Vegeta.

Sigh, this is just funny

Originally posted by chithappens
Kid Buu is the strongest form. Supreme Kai said so because he is also Buu at his purest form.

I haven't watched Dragonball Z in forever but how the hell do you forget that?

Actually, Kid Buu wasn't the most powerful, just the most dangerous cuz he's pure evil and ruthless

Originally posted by chithappens
Have you even watched that fight at all?

He could have beaten Fat Buu but he had been fighting Vegeta.

Sigh, this is just funny

Goku said at full power he could have beaten Fat Buu, not Kid Buu, when the fight started, Goku was full power and trying to kill Kid Buu, Buu was just toying with Goku

Originally posted by superchron
Actually, Kid Buu wasn't the most powerful, just the most dangerous cuz he's pure evil and ruthless

Who said that? I remember Supreme Kai saying what I mentioned