We have portion of Sidra energy against GF. It's simple, that energy wasn't powerful enough to destroy GF, because GF was stronger. So if Jiren is stronger, then that full power of energy also wouldn't be powerful enough to destroy Jiren.
If simply being stronger means you can resist the Hakai technique, then what sets it apart in the first place? Or in fact, what sets a god of destruction apart from others other than in name, and agelessness?
Even though we've seen indications otherwise, I hope the Hakai technique is something unique which gives the name god of destruction special meaning and formidability. That is, a god of destruction isn't just someone who is sufficiently strong...
If gods of destruction are chosen, then likely that destruction energy or ability was bestowed upon them by a higher power since all of them share it. And since it is not their own, the potency of the ability doesn't necessarily have to match their power level, but the level of whomever originated it.
One could argue that perhaps the ability is learnt rather than given, but that doesn't seem right to me.
The only hope I have of all this is the fact that Beerus destroyed the doctor/ghost with it, which I assume cannot be done by conventional means. The other key point is destroyed beings cease to exist rather than enter into the afterlife - which strongly suggests it is a divine ability.
I've read that in the Manga, Goku is able to use the technique which is quite lame.
I like the idea that even if a mortal is somehow stronger than a god of destruction, they still need to show respect, because a GoD can always fall back on their ultimate ability if required.
Unfortunately, as cool as that seems, it's not true.
Toppo was a God of destruction in training, in the manga. Why would he need training if he was just given the ability? This is similar to the reason for Whiss constantly chastising Beerus for not training.
At least that's my take on it. Personally, I think the manga and anime are too different at this point, and I don't really like the manga. Am I in that boat alone? lol
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Jiren surpasses *his* universe's Destroyer/Belmond, and seems to at least surpass *some* of the other Destroyers in terms of raw power and such. However, even though Beerus was shocked by the amount of power a mortal was generating, I'm not yet convinced that Jiren is above *all* Destroyers -- especially Beerus, who has been portrayed as one of...if not THE...most powerful GoD in the multiverse. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Nov 8th, 2017 at 07:36 PM
I'm not ruling out the possibility that Jiren is > Beerus, and I won't be overly surprised if he is definitively proven to be(his power is being hyped ad nauseam, ffs)... But as of right now, I'm not quite ready to put him on that level -- I need to see more from him.
Jiren is definitely above Belmond(and presumably most of the other Destroyers) to *some* degree, but Beerus is significantly above them -- we saw this when he fought ALL of the other GoDs simultaneously, and seemed superior(which Whis credited to his near-mastery of UI.)
But yeah, we'll see exactly where Jiren stands in weeks to come.
The anime was more confusing about it, what with the casual throwing around of comments about Beerus losing an arm wrestling competition, and then other statements about someone stronger then a GoD, all without context. So people assume the arm wrestler and the GoD who can't beat his mortal are the same.