1.) Through training, and the power of Toriyama-haxx. Seems strange now, but Tori actually wrote the boys at a really high level back in the day.
2.) Gohan was definitely SSJ2 against Dabra. Given that Dabra was Cell-level, and Gohan was a LOT weaker than he was during the Cell Games, he wouldn't have been able to contend with Dabra at all if he hadn't been using SSJ2.
3.) Vegeta was already capable of using SSJ2 at the beginning of the Boo arc, imo. That's why he noted that Goku had "surpassed the Super Saiyan wall, too" when he briefly used SSJ2 to defeat Yakon. Vegeta was also acting like Cell-level beings were complete fodder, which he likely wouldn't have done if he didn't have SSJ2 in his back pocket. Some people argue that Vegeta only attained SSJ2 due to the Majin amp, but that was never stated/implied anywhere. Moreover, Vegeta used SSJ2 against Pure Boo after the Majin amp was long gone, with NO implication that said amp is what had allowed him to access it.
4.) Seems like taking Fat Boo out of the equation was akin to a 'factory reset' of sorts, which reverted Boo back to his original, pure form.
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The kids are kind of unique, even for fusions. They can't individually reach SSJ2, let alone 3, yet their fused forms managed it. And it's also a form Goku learned in the afterlife, that was designed for that plane, making it that much more ridiculous for them to learn on their own.
No other fused character has achieved a similar power up, independent of their indvidual characters capabilities.
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The Daizenshuu states that Goten = Gohan(pre-unlock), and Trunks was slightly more powerful than Goten.
One of the intro pages in the manga also states that, aside from Goku/Gohan/Vegeta, the boys were the most powerful heroes on earth -- which tells us they were > Piccolo and #18 as well.
We also have showings like an enraged kick from Trunks doing far more against Fat Boo than an enraged kick from Gohan, Goten nearly overwhelming Gohan when they sparred, Trunks nearly overwhelming Vegeta when they sparred, multiple characters being awestruck by their ki, etc.
Remember, this was back when Toriyama wanted the boys to ultimately replace the adults, so he wrote them as prodigies of the highest order. Obviously that is no longer the case, though.
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It's one of the few anime-only/filler feats that is regarded as canon.
However, if you watch the anime episode this showing occurred in, you'll find that Boohan's scream had the potential to break down dimensional barrier after dimensional barrier in a chain-reaction type of event. This would have ultimately allowed alternate dimensions to bleed through and "crush" U7.
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Thanks, yeah I know it was a chain reaction, but still, that has to be a riduclous feat from screaming too loudly. I was planning on using it as an estimate for how much stronger buuhan was above super buu/gotenks... Also,do you believe vegito, assuming he wanted to, could've wrecked the universe? (If he couldn't do in ssj,he could go higher)
Not exactly. Old Kai originally stated that the being who sealed him in the Z Sword was almost as "terrible" as Boo: https://i.imgur.com/jayifNa.jpg
"Terrible" implies senselessly evil, imo, in which case I would agree that Pure Boo was more "terrible" than Beerus. We were also led to believe the being who imprisoned Old Kai did so because he was scared of Old Kai's powers or w/e.
However, Toriyama has since clarified that Beerus stuffed Old Kai in the Sword over a simple argument:
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Yeah,the part about bring scared of old Kai was pretty Much debunked few minutes later when Goku sent a child's attack at him to see if his boosts were true lol
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I agree in general. There's some exceptions, like the early One Piece translation, where the translator, who wasn't even a fan of manga, turned it into a different series, almost.
Dedicated fans like Manga Streams or Dragon Teams are pretty safe bets, because they're real fans with a reputation to protect.
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What if Goku indulged Vegeta and used SSJ3 in their "final fight"?
If he beat him fast enough, there would be no Buu, right? So no Buu Saga? Skip ahead of Super?
I mean, it's not like anything really happened that matters in the next arc. SSJ3 was unlocked off screen, and Goku could have taught fusion any time.
Goku was resurrected, granted, but Beerus could fix that if he's hell bent on meeting a SSJG. Or, Dende's dragon could do it (I believe they fixed the limited use resurrections.)
Only things lost are Buu, Uub, Gotenks. None of them are players in Super.
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SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. So yeah, Goku could have ended it with a casual chop if he wanted to.
Taking Boo out of the equation would have a trickle effect.
-No Old Kai
-Goku stays dead
-No Mystic Gohan
-No fusion of any kind
Beerus would be extremely disappointed when he came to earth and saw such weaklings during the BoG era, and there wouldn't be enough living Saiyans to preform the SSG ritual. That's likely when Goku would be resurrected.
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