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What Is The Meaning Of Life?

This, in a sense, summarizes all other questions asked. It is usually understood as: "What are the highest values, the Supreme Goals which I should try to achieve?". We stress that every human being must freely set those goals for himself or herself. The Supreme Goal which we choose derives logically from our cybernetic world view: to make a constructive contribution to the evolution of humanity, in order to maximize our long-term chances of survival (immortality). In essence, the 'meaning of life' is to increase evolutionary fitness. Do you agree?


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We live to die, so that others may live and die and others after them do the same.


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The Circle Of Life Lils?

Yeah, I agree with that. It fits in with evolution. But surely it's a little morbid to say the only reason we are here is to die? What about Procreation? Reproduction? And do you believe in reincarnation?


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no.
if you simply the matter to the extremes, just look at what DNA is. it is a progra meant only to preserve itself. perhaps that is the true, however simple, meaning of life. evolution is only due to it's adaptive capability.

Maybe when i'm older and more experience...this big lightbulb will turn on in my head, lightening the meaning of life for me. But until then..perhaps..there is not meaning of life.

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I believe in reincarnation indeed. But not everyone does, and i cant prove if its true or not, so im looking at the meaning of life from a rational point of view.

We live and we die so that others may live. Its just the way it is. Evolution hasnt got a goal or a purpose, it just happens and we are a product of it. (simplisticly speaking)


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The meaning of life is to have a good time.

Because what's the point of living....if it isn't fun?


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if you simply the matter to the extremes, just look at what DNA is. it is a progra meant only to preserve itself.


OK, first of all I didn't ask for a simplification of anything, I just wanted to know your theory on the meaning of life. If you don't have one, that's perfectly acceptable, many people prefer not to dwell on such topics. I, on the other hand, enjoy thinking about this sort of thing. Would you mind explaining in more detail about the DNA idea? I'm not quite following......

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perhaps that is the true, however simple, meaning of life. evolution is only due to it's adaptive capability.


Evolution is not due to it's adaptive capability, how can that be correct? The adaptive capabilities are a part of evolution, the ever changing world. The reason we adapt to our surroundings is because we are continually evolving with the world around us, with our habitat, and the way we live. Not the other way around.

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Maybe when i'm older and more experience...this big lightbulb will turn on in my head, lightening the meaning of life for me. But until then..perhaps..there is not meaning of life.


So you are saying that just because you cannot comprehend a meaning of life, maybe because you are too young, then there cannot be one?? Or have I read your last comment wrong? Please correct me if I'm out of line big grin


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The meaning of life is to have a good time.

Because what's the point of living....if it isn't fun?


Simple yet quite poignant.

I've heard many people say that for them, the meaning of life is to live it. A lot of us spend so much time wondering what will happen when life is over, that we miss the part where we are actually here.


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I think that each person creates meaning that is specific to their own life. Someone may find meaning in helping to end poverty while another finds their meaning in the development of their mind. Both of these pursuits would be considered very noble but neither answer the underlying desire for ultimate meaning or purpose beyond this life. Whatever meaning a person created would be limited to the few short years of their life.


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I agree.

Each individual may find meaning, or satisfaction, in helping another.

Each does it in a different way, therefore finding their own specific meaning therein.

But does every person have this underlying desire for ultimate answers? I'm not so sure.....


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I think Syren ment collectivly, what is the meaning of life as humans what is the meaning of our existance...as far as i understand.


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life is life.
you live - you die.

nothing to wonder about.


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Re: What Is The Meaning Of Life?

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In essence, the 'meaning of life' is to increase evolutionary fitness. Do you agree?


No. If it was, the logical thing to do would be to go around sterilizing unfit people before they can breed. Fun, yes, but I wouldn't expect that to be the purpose of life.


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OK, first of all I didn't ask for a simplification of anything, I just wanted to know your theory on the meaning of life. If you don't have one, that's perfectly acceptable, many people prefer not to dwell on such topics. I, on the other hand, enjoy thinking about this sort of thing. Would you mind explaining in more detail about the DNA idea? I'm not quite following......

that was my theory on the meaning of life. The basis of it..is..survival. DNA, your code, the way you work, the way you exist..rules that you have to survive. that was the simplified idea.


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Evolution is not due to it's adaptive capability, how can that be correct? The adaptive capabilities are a part of evolution, the ever changing world. The reason we adapt to our surroundings is because we are continually evolving with the world around us, with our habitat, and the way we live. Not the other way around.

well..here..i strongly disagree. It is BECAUSE we can adapt, that we evolve. that's what evolving is..adaptation. in fact...if we look at it, we can look at the two words as synonims and get over the disagreement.


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So you are saying that just because you cannot comprehend a meaning of life, maybe because you are too young, then there cannot be one?? Or have I read your last comment wrong? Please correct me if I'm out of line big grin

there is not a meaning of life for ME. i don't think there's a general meaning of life valid for every single being. everyone percieves it in his own way. When i'll find one...i'll know. maybe i already did...but it's hard to express it in words.

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I didn't think of it that way, but now you mention it I'm in severe danger of sounding like a certain Mr Hitler! Apologies.......

(In reply to Gregory's)


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Sometimes it is hard for people to accept the fact that we are dying...we are dying right now. And we were doing so from the moment we were born.

And we are all gonna die at one point, it is inevitable. This life we are leading is not a destination, its a journey, i know thats a cliche but its very true...its what we do in that time to make our existance more comftable.
There is no great meaning,

''you are not a unique and beautiful snowflake, you are the same decaying organic matter just like everything else'' - Chuck Palahnuik

And thats true...we want to believe that there is great and awesome meaning to our life.... there is a meaning just not so great and awsome, we live so that human race will live, we live so that others may life and die and so on. That is our existance.

You personaly, can devote your life to something or another and claim that your purpose in life is helping others for example...that may be inner self meaning of you, but the bottom line is, your life's meaning is just like everyone else's.


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np....no offense taken...we're debating here smile

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Excellent, Lils, that was very detailed.....

I agree with the fact that people worry to much, continually thinking that there must be some higher meaning to life, but I don't think it's as simple as living to die.

I truly believe that we are here for procreation, to carry on the blood line, of course it's inevitable that we're going to die, but it's also inevitable that we will live first. People seem to miss that point....


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What do we mean by meaning? Are we talking about purpose or significance, about causes for why we are here, about importance or something else? And what do we mean by life?
Is the question in some way a religious or spiritual question? Do we have to drag God into it? Are we to take the question as a personal or as a cosmic question? That is, is it the meaning of my life, our lives or is it the meaning of human life or the meaning of existence in general?


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What do we mean by meaning? Are we talking about purpose or significance, about causes for why we are here, about importance or something else? And what do we mean by life?
Is the question in some way a religious or spiritual question? Do we have to drag God into it? Are we to take the question as a personal or as a cosmic question? That is, is it the meaning of my life, our lives or is it the meaning of human life or the meaning of existence in general?


Thats why this is a philosophical quesion Storm. There are no direct philosophical questions.

I dont think there is a need to drag God into this, as none of us have at all so far...if you believe it is sagnificant to drg him in, then do it your side of things.

You cant simplify a philosophical questions into one direct one. Meaning of life, thats why its a question, and everyone is exploring the answer and its possibilitis.


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