Many religions imply that there is an all powerful being, and some call it 'God'. The being with infinite powers. Able to do anything, and everything.
So, the question emerges,
Could this all powerful being create a stone he/she cannot move?
On the one hand, an all powerful being cannot create someting more powerful than him/her self, but on the other hand, doesnt that put a restriction on the hes/hers powers, if there is something he/she cannot create, then...it isnt all powerful, is it?
Thoughts?
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An all-powerful being can do anything possible. Logically speaking there are only x amount of things that can be done, by any being that exists anywhere, up to and including 'God'. We can assume most beings can only do a tiny fraction of a scintilla of an iota of a smallest percent of them, whilst 'God' can do them all.
But everything that is possible is not everything one can conceive of. Big difference. You cannot, for example, create a person with both three arms and one arm- he either is one or the other (or neither).
So an all-powerful being can do everything that can be done. The 'can be done' list may well NOT include moving a stone that was deliberately created to be unable to be moved by God when made.
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But then again, If he deliberatley made the stone he/she cannot move, then that limits the power of the 'all powerfull', and doesnt that make him NOT all powerful?
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Last edited by lil bitchiness on Jul 17th, 2004 at 07:38 PM
Its aphilosophical question Force, and there are different versions of the answer, Ush gave a version of it.
If God is all powerfull, will he be able to make a stone even he cannot move? If hes all powerfull, then surely he can.
But if he can make a stone, he cannot move, then there is something he cannot do, thus he isnt all powerfull, is he?
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Last edited by lil bitchiness on Jul 17th, 2004 at 07:40 PM
I edited my post, because the wording was all wrong, and again, youre missing my point.
The concept of possible and impossible shouldnt be the issue to the being of infinite power, should it?
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So then, this entity, many religions are refering to as a God , the all powerfull, (lets assume exists) the one who created everything we see and dont see, can only do things that are possible....right?
Then, doesnt that prove that he isnt all powerfull, and that there is no such thing as an infinite power, since it evidently has limits?
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If God is truly "all powerful", then it exists in a state that humans can't conceive of... But like Ush said, I doubt anyone or anything can do truly everything. That was a good example, a person cannot have both three arms and one arm at the same time.
I heard this question somewhere else, except it was "could Jesus heat a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"
So, DR, then this being cannot be all powerfull, right?
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It is a bit like saying that that something that is all-colourful isn't all colourful because it isn't square. The fact that it isn't square actually has no bearing on the amount of colours it had, becaude square isn't a colour. Likewise, anything that is actively and totally impossible for any being anywhere to do isn;t actually anything to do with power.
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We are not talking about a person, we are talking about a supreme being, for the sake of argument we are assuming exists.
And if this being is all powerfull, with infinite powers, then obviously there is no limit to what he can do, being infinite.
So, thats like says, universe is only as infinite as i can imagine it being infinite, which is absolutely not so.
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Assumtion is the mother of all invention. In order to state that there is an all powerful being, you must state whether you definitively belief in one or not. You can't assume there is for this question or the whole argument flies out the door. A belief must be derived at one's understanding of one or the other, you can't assume because then the argument is conceptional. I being there is an all powerful being, God. And if God willed a stone into existence he could not move, I belief it could be so. However, with a mere thought, he could undo his infinity and move the stone. God in infinte, omnipotent and benevolent. He does all, sees all and knows all.
So for everyone else to answer this question, you must believe that there is a God or not to definitively get your answer.
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Nope, you are complitely missing the point, this has nothing to do with the belief of the existance of God. This is about the idea that possibly nothing and no one can be all powerfull in every way.
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All Powerful?
Jul 17th, 2004 05:43 PM
Dakota.
