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ash007
Strength and Honour
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Location: United Kingdom |
 Do people deserve Democracy?
Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others.
-William Allen White
I have been doing a lot of thinking lately, basically because it is one of the few things i do well. I wondered, is freedom and liberty something people deserve as human beings? Is being denied Democracy wrong? Do the iraqis deserve to have freedom? The true question in my mind was not 'Did the Americans have the right to force democracy on Iraq?' but 'Did the Iraqis deserve democracy enforced on them?'
Questions for debate:
1) Do you think democracy is something people deserve or something that must be earned?
2) Does/did Iraq deserve to have democracy?
3) Whether or not you agreed with the war, Do you think the US has made a valiant effort to bring freedom to iraq?
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Jul 27th, 2004 11:51 PM |
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Fire
Senior Member
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well let's see
1) depends what kind of democracy you mean "indirect democracy" (like most countries have) or "direct democracy" (the pure democracy meaning everyone has a vote in everything) The first one they deserve, the second one they need to earn
2) Yes Iraq deserves "indirect democracy" which they will now get.
3) depends on what you call freedom
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Jul 27th, 2004 11:59 PM |
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RaventheOnly
GheutWunOlathWholSsussun
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Location: Hermitage (meditating) |
Iraq has never been free... persia has never been free they know nothing of freedom ... monarchs and warlords have ruled thier very existence... everyone deservse a chance at freedom... what they do with it is on them...
direct democracy leads to anarchy and tyranny when implemented on large scale .... indirect is a republic 
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Jul 28th, 2004 12:53 AM |
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Fire
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: On vacation |
I know Raven 
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Jul 28th, 2004 12:54 AM |
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RaventheOnly
GheutWunOlathWholSsussun
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Location: Hermitage (meditating) |
just wanted to make it clear to anyone else that it means what we got i was sure you did to because you knew what a direct and indirect democracy was to begin with 
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Jul 28th, 2004 02:22 AM |
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Dr. Leg Kick
Aesculapius
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Location: Los Angeles |
Iran is the only country to have a government ruling under a religion.
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Jul 28th, 2004 02:24 AM |
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RaventheOnly
GheutWunOlathWholSsussun
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technically Italy is influenced greatly by the Pope in order to have citizen ship i think you have to be Catholic in Mexico and in Italy 
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Jul 28th, 2004 04:14 AM |
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shaber
schizoid
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Location: Miragia |
To quote Orwell, "the object of oppression is opression..." those who would think to rule over others are psychopathic. The word democracy means "opower to the people." It is a sham if most of the time only a few people are making all the decisions.
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Jul 28th, 2004 12:18 PM |
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Dexx
wingless
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Location: Bucharest, Romania |
awh....you speak of democracy as it is some gift from a higher being. it is not. it is a governing system with PLENTY of flaws. It just suits or way of thinking best. that's why it is dominant so far. but it's safe to assume we will move on, from this system also. just like we did before this one.
so..
1) they don't deserve it nor earn it. it's a good system (better than others), and it will be implemented if it suits the designtated country (not counting in problems like tirant rulers, etc...)
2)this is also a matter of interpretation. I for one, believe that the americans went there for oil (and/or other things..it's just an example. don't take it literally). so the liberation is a pretext, therefore ruling it out of consideration. even if for no oil. they would have gotten the publicity. my point is: i doubt they would have done it if they didn't have some gain of their own.
so..why wouldn't they deserve freedom? they are people just like us. only ruled by a tirant. history and culture is what sepparates us. yes they deserve it. (if one can DESERVE such a thing)
3) see no 2)
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:16 PM |
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shaber
schizoid
Gender: Male
Location: Miragia |
Where do you live?
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:18 PM |
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Dexx
wingless
Gender: Male
Location: Bucharest, Romania |
romania
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:25 PM |
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shaber
schizoid
Gender: Male
Location: Miragia |
What was that guy called who ruled when Romania was a Soviet Satellite State?
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:27 PM |
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Dexx
wingless
Gender: Male
Location: Bucharest, Romania |
ciausescu
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:29 PM |
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shaber
schizoid
Gender: Male
Location: Miragia |
Yeah... one of them had a terrible reputation even by the standards of Soviet Satellite rulers! I think you're right in that case.
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:31 PM |
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sonofasaiyan
Restricted
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Location: Nassau, Bahamas. Account Restricted |
I think so.
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:32 PM |
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Fire
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: On vacation |
what has ciausescu got to do wiv it?
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:38 PM |
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shaber
schizoid
Gender: Male
Location: Miragia |
Any system which doesn't include him must be alot better than one which does.
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:40 PM |
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Fire
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: On vacation |
you can add several other ppl to that list, but sometimes the rule of the one is better than the rule of the many.
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:41 PM |
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shaber
schizoid
Gender: Male
Location: Miragia |
hardly
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:42 PM |
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Fire
Senior Member
Gender: Male
Location: On vacation |
well just to give a few examples the roman empire, which was at its prime a very fine example of good leadership allowed (again at its prime) for quite a few ppl to be the sole ruler until the upcoming crisis was averted
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Jul 28th, 2004 01:45 PM |
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