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What Is Truth?

To say that a statement is "truth" is to say that it reflects the way things really are. What truth is beyond that is a matter of debate, with different philosophers offering different theories as to what truth is and how to distinguish truth from falsity.

What is truth?


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There is no truth.
Because for each person truth is sometthing different.
There are only few statement that can be always and for everyone true. confused


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"Something cannot bring itself into existence." This is an absolutely true statement. In order for something to bring itself into existence, it would have to exist in order to be able to perform an action. But if it already existed, then it isn 't possible to bring itself into existence since it already exists. Likewise, if it does not exist then it has no ability to perform any creative action since it doesn' t exist in the first place. Therefore, "Something cannot bring itself into existence" is an absolute truth.


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But if it doesn't exist it may bring itself to existence confused
or i didn't understand something?


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It's a paradox Clovie, if something brings itself into existence then it must first exist to do so. Or perhaps it doesn't, man is not even remotely close to understanding the universe. In answer to the topic I guess 'truth' is just the conclusion we come to when we've reached the limits of our comprehension of something.

Another 'truth' is "You cannot create experience. You must undergo it." Another Camus quote, but I feel it's appropriate.


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As I believe in a multiplicity of gods, and I believe in an all powerful creator, I therefore have to believe in a multiplicity of truth... that is, that an all powerful thing can make two, three or more truths, all of which can be the "only" truth, while all the others are as well.... in other words, something omnipotent can make black be the opposite of white, the same as white, and an infinite number of other things, all at the same time, even though these truths are contradictory.... therefore the truth vouchsafed to Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Sikhs, Wiccans, et al, although different in many respects are all The Only Truth... not necessarily all parts of the same truth, but distinct, separate truths.... any one who believes in an omnipotent God must be open to the idea that such power means that that being can make absolutely anything happen, no matter how incomprehensible it seems to us.... as a UFO investigator, I hold that, unless a sighting can be explained, it remains everything that it possibly could be, all at the same time...


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also I think we must make a distinction between Truth, Reality and Validity.... reality is simply a function of the nervous system, a perception that we alter to suit our organs of comprehension... thus time "passes" when in fact time is not the stage upon which we act, but a fellow actor.... Validity is a logic-construct, valuable only to mathematical views of the world, and firmly anchored to reality... whereas truth is truth, and totally beyond our comprehension...


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Truth = Whatever I say, because I'm always right.


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The only truth is that no truth can exist


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113, that in itself is a paradox, and automatically makes it false. if no truth can exists, then this "only truth" can't exist either, meaning that some truth must exist.


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yes i know and my disagreeing with that statement it just proves that no truth can exist


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truth exists. Is it true that we all live and die? We just make things more complicated than they are, or just want to sound different and philosophical.


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You want to know truth? aside from the basic facts that we all hold to be true... Truth is something that is constantly twisted and bent by the media, raped by the powermongers and seeked by the lovers lost in the mist of lies.

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You can ***** on about subjective truth till the moo-cows die of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy and the only conclusion you are likely to reach is "it's subjective". If you are asking a question that’s worth anything then it has to be "what is objective truth" and there ladies and gents - I recommend we turn to Wittgenstein.

Forgive me for simplifying:


  • the world is a totality of facts
  • thoughts are logical pictures of facts.
  • thoughts are expressed by propositions.
  • propositions are truth-functions of elementary propositions which assign a truth-possibility to facts.


That's the closest thing to an adequate description of objective truth as I've ever found.

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I don't think there is any UNIVERSAL truth. Whatever statement you make, there is always someone with a counter-point.


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Originally posted by Phoenix
I don't think there is any UNIVERSAL truth. Whatever statement you make, there is always someone with a counter-point.


Hence wiggys model. Things are neither true nor false - they simply have varying degrees of truth-possibility.

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Truth (n. Pl.):

1) Conformity to fact or actuality.
2) A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
3) Sincerity; integrity.
4) Fidelity to an original or standard.

True (adj.):

1) Real; genuine.

Truth is what, in turn, we are all searching for. A reassurance that what we see is actually there.

Truth exists. If it doesnt, then most peoples lives are empty. Seeking the truth is most peoples goals in life. No matter what truth they are seeking.

But, as was mentioned by Clovie, truth is always something different to everyone. There are many different views of truth, as there is of God or the perfect person. wink


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Truth stands or falls by proof !

That is the basis whereby every scientist measures his or her success.


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Originally posted by Samurai Guy
But, as was mentioned by Clovie, truth is always something different to everyone. There are many different views of truth, as there is of God or the perfect person. wink



someone actually agreed with me blink

how nice happy


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