I really curios of what denomination you belong to HP, cause if your views are a reflection of them then by your own definition of a Real christian you aint and they sure as hell aint.
One thing many chrisitans do good is that they pass judgment upon others. According to your believe it aint up to you to judge at all it is your god and jesus who shall pass judgment on judgment day (what a laugh ).
Just to quote you seems like you got a problem with your self there
"I believe Jesus was a good man, a man to who we should be like whenever its possible. However I am not down with everything in the new testament and dont claim to be a christian because of that."
*SIGH*
Anyways yes actually worse than any other religion.
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In Mormonism, men and women have the potential of becoming gods. President Lorenzo Snow said, "As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become." In order to reach this exalted state of godhood, a person must first become a good Mormon, pay a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, follow various laws and ordinances of the church, and be found worthy. At this point, they receive a temple recommend whereupon, the Mormon is allowed to enter their sacred temples in order to go through set of secret rituals: baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. Additionally, four secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon, upon entering the third level of Mormon heaven, can shake hands with god in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into the highest level of heaven.3 For those who achieve this highest of heavens, exaltation to godhood awaits them. Then, he or she, will be permitted to have his or her own planet and be the god of his own world and the Mormon system will be expanded to other planets.
thats crazy, evern crazier than christianity is it not?
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you set your definition of a real christian, you fail to fulfill it your own definition so.............
mormons aint any more crazy than any of the other chrisitan denomination. They got their view on the thing you got yours, as long as you cant demonstrate why you and yours belief are truer than the mormon way . That the jesus of mormonism differ characteristically form the protestant jesus doesnt give a clue to which view is corret and which isnt.
More extreme perhaps, but they still share a lot of foundation beliefs. Once you've decided that an omnipotent being exists and your life is just a stepping stone to immortality simply because you read it somewhere, I think secret handshakes and oaths become the least of your problems.
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Kind of a shame, they seem so earnest and wholesome, some actually knocked on my door a couple of months ago, which was impressive considering I live on the top floor of my apartment building (and there is no elevator), such dedication...... and I think you would find John Safrans new show (kind of a documentary/comedy) quite amusing, its called John Safran vs God. This is the official website.....
Heh yes, that show is awesome. I've seen every episode in the series except one. Apparently in the one I missed there was a segment where he went door knocking Mormon houses, trying to convert them to atheism.
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Ah, it was quite funny, and it is really amazing how angry some people seemed to get.... still, he has hit the nail on the head this time, a great show indeed. I hope he converts to something good though....
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*sighs* do u HAVE to make EVERY SINGLE thread change its topic to talk about how bad christianity is?? if u wanna trash chrsitianity then make a thnread of rit, but not in every single thread k?
I don't think Christianity is bad. I can, however, see both sides of the argument, and I recognise Christianity does much good, and it has done much bad, its all about balance.
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mormons are a chrisitan denomination , so how could an attack on one of the chrisitian denomination not involve chrisitianity as a whole.
And I dont change EVERY single thread to how bad christianity, threads of religious nature pops up all almost everyday so it comes rather natural that christianity is on the agenda.
So the example you used was merely a reply of mine to a post that was a put down of a christian denomination, so if making a defence of one denomination over the lot is trashing christianity well then christianity really needs to take a look at itself as a whole
it does through the action of humans more than the religion itself though.
It's very easy to attack one part of Christianity without attacking the whole. The allegedly Christian K.K.K. is evil, Mother Teresa helping lepers in India is not.
And Christianity gives people the power to do good things, which would normally be beyond them.
I agree, say a person says the tiles on their roof are ugly, it doesn't mean the whole house is bad, rather just a certain part of it. In fact, thats why there are so many Christian sects, because they are fundamentally different. And sometimes people do indeed need to be motivated to do good. Yes, the people are responsible, but if they are motivated by religion, I say it is doing good.
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KKK aint a denomination, mormons are, yeah no doubt the mormons do it their own way so what are they less worth as chrisitans for that reason. Do they deserve to be attacked by people of other denominations?
what would some examples of normally be beyond them be?
Attacking a denomination because of Weirdness is not right; pointing out moral flaws is fine (although risky because of that whole differing-views-of-morality business.) Most Christians would find the idea of humans attaining godhood, or of Grades of Heaven based around handshakes, pretty... bad.
And as for things that would normally be beyond them (ironically enough, I can't get the Quote button to work...), I would say things such as confronting the fear and guilt and arrogance-filled mess that makes up so much of the human mind, and setting about replacing it with love and strength and (hopefully) healthy cynicism.
It depends on how you see them. Are they worth less then other Christians (am I reading you right?) It depends on how you see them, they are certainly more fanatical and hold stranger beliefs (it seems) to mainstream Christians, and to many that afords them less respect. And the Church motivates people to do good these days, the missions Australian Churchs put on to immunise Native kids, to build house for the homeless in Mexico, to help storm victims and people of abuse and so on.... and thats just some Aussie examples of things the Church enables people to do that would normally be beyond them.
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