Can't we all just get along?

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You want kill me?
YES!
I want kill you!
OK.
Let us fight!
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Only Jesus is real!
Why?
Because I can feel it!
But why don't I?
Because you haven't given yourself to him.
Don't say that to me!
YOU NEED JESUS!
NO, I DON'T
YES YOU DO!
DIE!
DIE!
DIE!
DIE!

Allah tells me the truth.
Allah is not the real god!
WHAT?!
You should do things the way I do them!
But I don't agree with them!
YOU SHOULD!
NO! YOU SHOULD AGREE WITH ME!
NO!
DIE!
DIE!

Why do you not buy-buy-buy?
Because this is all I need.
But you should want more!
Why if I don't need it?
Because it is civilised!
I reject it then.
You MUST change!
NO!
MUST!
NO!
MUST!
NO!
DIE!

What the hell is wrong with the World? Every country in every continent is fighting in one way or the other...whether it be a physical bombardment, or a psychological bombardment...WHY?

When I travel to different places, I always meet people that I like, that I can talk with, that I can laugh with, BUT...Still the troubles continue...

If people on a basic human level can communicate and empathise with each other, why is the news filled with war, terror and hate? Why is it that governments world-wide create enemies and points of difference with other nations, when on an individual-scale most people can get along regardless of language barriers?

True, on an individual level, people also argue and fight, but to a lesser extent. When it does happen...Why? Greed? Envy? Lust? Perceived differences? What's the point?

Why is it, when the majority of the world wants peace and harmony, do we have war?

Maybe I am being naive, but I don't understand why we can't all accept differences in skin-colour, race, religion, economic staus and culture. We live here on Earth and we all want peace, so why don't we have it?

Hell if I know.

Not everyone wants peace, and some people who do, think that their way is the best way of going around it to achieve it.

Many people profit from war, so i guess for some its the issue of money. Also control - if people in one country are economically weaker than they are less likely to be any kind of threat to a country that is economically strong.

Then theres fanaticism - mostly religious. The 'do it my way, or you will die' kind of thing.

Those are just brief examples i guess, but there are may reasons for people not having peace.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Not everyone wants peace

On a fundamental level everybody desires peace. The only indisputable result of war is death. Even the most despicable dictator/war lord/president is bound by a desire to respect the sanctity of his/her own life. Therefore, it should be intrinsic that the lives of others are also bound by this belief.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness [/B]
, and some people who do, think that their way is the best way of going around it to achieve it.[/B]

But this again illustrates the inability to accept differences, which is the ultimate cause of all wars.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Many people profit from war, so i guess for some its the issue of money.
[/B]

The world's economy is most stable in times of peace...therefore, if we have peace, we have prosperity.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Also control - if people in one country are economically weaker than they are less likely to be any kind of threat to a country that is economically strong.

I don't know a single person who desires their own country to acquire other countries. If individuals accept this desire as repungent then it should be mirrored by their government.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Then theres fanaticism - mostly religious. The 'do it my way, or you will die' kind of thing.

This is true in a mass context, but on an individual level it ceases to exist. I have laughed and talked with people from many different faiths and regardless of their beliefs being different from my own, we are bound by a need for empathy and happiness.

leave lil bitchiness alone 😐

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
On a fundamental level everybody desires peace. The only indisputable result of war is death. Even the most despicable dictator/war lord/president is bound by a desire to respect the sanctity of his/her own life. Therefore, it should be intrinsic that the lives of others are also bound by this belief.

Not really - a dictator/war lord/president will be willing to sacrifice the lives of his people for a greater cause or his/her own gian - look at Bush.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
But this again illustrates the inability to accept differences, which is the ultimate cause of all wars.

Exactly - you just partly answered your own question.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
The world's economy is most stable in times of peace...therefore, if we have peace, we have prosperity.

It is overall. But powerful individuals gain from wartime - its always been like that. Industries such as weapon manufacturing and the likes, profit a lot from war.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
I don't know a single person who desires their own country to acquire other countries. If individuals accept this desire as repungent then it should be mirrored by their government.

Thats idealistic - it doesnt really happen like that. It ''should'' be mirrored by the government, but its not...politicians are corrupt - in every country.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
This is true in a mass context, but on an individual level it ceases to exist. I have laughed and talked with people from many different faiths and regardless of their beliefs being different from my own, we are bound by a need for empathy and happiness.

Not EVERYONE is a fanatic. People you spoke to and laughed with evidently were not fanatics of their faith and wouldnt go around killing people in the name of it, unfortunately there are people like that and once they get together - many acts of inhumanity occur.

😑

If everyone did get along in the first place, anger wouldn't exist... and if it did not exist, then if invaders (animals, ect) ever attack us, our first instinct would be to hide...

Don't complain, just make use of the things we have... as gandolf the wise says "what you have to worry is what you have to do in the given time"..

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Not really - a dictator/war lord/president will be willing to sacrifice the lives of his people for a greater cause or his/her own gian - look at Bush.

I understand this, but if every person in a position of great power was made aware of the peace available, why wouldn't they take it? If the world had peace, there would be no need for sacrifice.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Exactly - you just partly answered your own question.

I recognise what the problem is, but I don't understand why it exists.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It is overall. But powerful individuals gain from wartime - its always been like that. Industries such as weapon manufacturing and the likes, profit a lot from war.

Again, I understand this, but the truth is that without war and it's astronomical costs, other avenues would be pursued resulting in an alternate source of income.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats idealistic - it doesnt really happen like that. It ''should'' be mirrored by the government, but its not...politicians are corrupt - in every country.

This whole discussion is based in idealism! The World should be governed by universal ideals...such as peace.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Not EVERYONE is a fanatic. People you spoke to and laughed with evidently were not fanatics of their faith and wouldnt go around killing people in the name of it, unfortunately there are people like that and once they get together - many acts of inhumanity occur. [/B]

This, I believe, is the root cause of ALL of the troubles in the world and I am simply unable to comprehend how people can be so utterly corrupted by it.

PeterKSL...both of your posts are completely bizarre! Something about predatory instincts and a LOTR quote!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo

Maybe I am being naive, but I don't understand why we can't all accept differences in skin-colour, race, religion, economic staus and culture. We live here on Earth and we all want peace, so why don't we have it?

Life would be rather boring without confrontation. especially without confrontation with other people. Humanity has the ability to one day reach a unified understanding of one another. This is only possible through confronatation. It takes us a lifetime to understand ourselves let alone each other,confrontation and resolve is a must in for social evolution. We as humans just have a hard time of remembering our history and mistakes though, or maybe temptation is just to much, and can you have a unified peace with giving into temptation? I dont think so, atleast not as long as we all give into personal temptation without regaurd of the effects it will have on others. vanity rules most people

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Life would be rather boring without confrontation. especially without confrontation with other people. Humanity has the ability to one day reach a unified understanding of one another. This is only possible through confronatation.

I totally disagree with everything you have stated here ^. The irony of me stating that whilst doing the opposite is not lost on me.

However, I don't think that confrontation and debate are the same things...Confrontation is usually a case of one trying to impose his/her views on another, whereas debate is the art of discussion resulting in greater knowledge and awareness of others. Even in times of relative peace, debate still occurs as this is the way humans broaden their understanding.

Finally, to state that peace is only achieveable through conflict is one of the most oxymoronic things I've ever heard stated outside of a George Orwell novel.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
I understand this, but if [B]every person in a position of great power was made aware of the peace available, why wouldn't they take it? If the world had peace, there would be no need for sacrifice. [/B]

Because unfortunately, the vast majority of people in power are narrow-minded, short-sighted, selfish individuals who only see (or only care about) the immediate material rewards violent conflict might bring.

people suck,
thats why

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Because unfortunately, the vast majority of people in power are narrow-minded, short-sighted, selfish individuals who only see (or only care about) the immediate material rewards violent conflict might bring.

Sadly, it's the truth. Tpt, of course, puts it much more bluntly 😛

But seriously, if we could get more people to think outside of their little box they live in...there probably wouldn't be nearly as many wars, if any at all.

Of course, that is a very idealistic view and is unlikely it'd ever happen.

The world is too "I'm gonna get ahead of my fellow man no matter what" rather than "I'm gonna try to better myself and if the chance presents itself and I agree with it, help others."

Humans are arrogant, self-centered and frail.

-AC

There is an overwhelming simplicity to the question being asked. And therein lies the answer. Sometimes the most simple of things can not be achieved because they are so simple.

Too many world religions preach that their way is the only way. I'm not even talking about war or oppression. Simple things like abortion or gay rights are fought and killed for in this country alone.

Take christianity for example: The basic principles are good. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. A fine moral ideal. But then there are those who get blinded by the whole "save the world from itself, even if it hasn't asked to be saved" principle. Even the idea of 'love the sinner, hate the sin' is antagonizing and lends itself to disagreement.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo

Finally, to state that peace is only achieveable through conflict is one of the most oxymoronic things I've ever heard stated outside of a George Orwell novel.

thing is though, most things in life are oxymoronical. We live to die, we love to hate, and we kill to save. Resolution and peace has come from and been learned from conflict. How can you truly appreciate something without knowing the opposite end of what is being appreciated. Obtaining peace in most instances involve conflict in some way, whether it be external or internal, conflict is essential for growth.

In America today our society have imposed laws to force the idea of peace. This only instigates conflict. Do you truly believe that humans could achieve peace without conflict? Just consider how our minds work and what history has showed us. Yeah, thinking logically, it seems idiotic to believe that conflict is the path to peaee. When you think realistically though, and look to the past. Growth and understanding is very rarely achived through a logical state of mind. I personaly believe this is because humans are bound by emotion, and emotion is not logical, but chaotic.

We don't live to die. We live to live, or at least we should. The fact that death comes after life doesn't mean that the ultimate goal of life is death.

And yes... Peace is the absence of conflict, so there is really no possible way peace can be achieved through war. Unless you mean internal conflict, in which case you are right in some cases. Or your idea of peace is a society in which everybody is identical because all the people who look, act, or think differently have been wiped out in a horrible bloody massacre.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Because unfortunately, the vast majority of people in power are narrow-minded, short-sighted, selfish individuals who only see (or only care about) the immediate material rewards violent conflict might bring.

If that is your 'answer', then my question still remains unresolved...'WHY are some people like this?'. It seems beyond my comprehension that some people simply want destruction and war. If people respect the beliefs of others - and are treated in kind - then I see no need or desire for war and conflict.

Capt_Fantastic
There is an overwhelming simplicity to the question being asked. And therein lies the answer. Sometimes the most simple of things can not be achieved because they are so simple.

This is quite ridiculous. The simplicity of the question is not an innate answer to the question! You can't answer a question of "why?" with the answer of "Oh, because it's so simple!". I'm looking for a bit more in depth reasoning than pseudo-Zen gibberish...

[i]ragesRemorse[i]
thing is though, most things in life are oxymoronical. We live to die, we love to hate, and we kill to save. Resolution and peace has come from and been learned from conflict. How can you truly appreciate something without knowing the opposite end of what is being appreciated. Obtaining peace in most instances involve conflict in some way, whether it be external or internal, conflict is essential for growth.

I respect your insight, but I don't agree with your conclusions. My life is not determined by my death...My love is not balanced with the same amount of hate...I don't see the need to kill in order to save...These are ideas promoted by the media, governments and other ideologues. Individual people are not bound to them, unless they accept them.

I agree with your remarks about appreciation being dependent on comparison. However, I think the history of the world is littered with enough examples of attrocities committed by man that we could do without adding to the back-catelogue...shouldn't evolution be about enhancing our minds aswell as our bodies?