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-=- Good / Evil & Light / Dark -=-

Okay, First off, this is different from that other thread that is probly out there...

People say that Without Evil, tehre can not be any good, becasue goodness is defined by evil... Or something along thoes lines.

But, To that I say Darkness Is the Compleat abscence of Light,

Therfore, Fill the Place up with light / Goodness and tehre is no Evil.

What Do you say?


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both sides need each-other to exist ; They co-exist.

Without one, there cannot be the other


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There is always a lesser light, as long as there is weakness, defiance, infiriority, there will be evil. There will be darkness. Negative/Positive forces are on a level we cannot begin to understand. All one needs to know is without both of them life could not exsist. But we strive for obviously the better half then the lesser half, get it?


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There is always a lesser light, as long as there is weakness, defiance, infiriority, there will be evil. There will be darkness. Negative/Positive forces are on a level we cannot begin to understand. All one needs to know is without both of them life could not exsist. But we strive for obviously the better half then the lesser half, get it?


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Naww, you're a smart guy and earned my respect. SpellJammer doesn't call people he respects idiots..

bardock42 is an idiot. stick out tongue


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There is always a lesser light, as long as there is weakness, defiance, infiriority, there will be evil. There will be darkness. Negative/Positive forces are on a level we cannot begin to understand. All one needs to know is without both of them life could not exsist. But we strive for obviously the better half then the lesser half, get it?


yes

Polarities...

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the whole yin yang thing is just symbolism of the totality of the universe. there is no fixing it because there is nothing wrong, its just the explanation. Also i dont believe that good and evil are simply opposites, i think they are actualy related to one another. good is 'born' of evil and evil is 'born' of good.


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Good is not defined by evil. Likewise, evil is not defined by good. To the contrary, each is defined by its essential characteristics. For example, good is characterized by benevolence, honor, loyalty, respect, truth, etc. whereas evil is characterized by infamy, malice, wickedness, etc. These characteristics are not mutually exclusive, i.e. benevolence can exist without malice, and so on.


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I don´t know... I think that if we didn´t know what evil is, we will not be able to understand goodness. Rich people are just rich because there are those which are poor, you know... there will be no richness if we didn´t have poorness.


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bardock42 is an idiot. stick out tongue


just.....no........no


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think of good and evil as two brothers who took different paths. there both related to one another, but they dont rely on one another.


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Explain that quote.
I believe that good and evil must co-exist, for without evil there would be o good to oppose it and show people how to be good.


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The "good vs. bad" principle is correct but ur perhaps being too simplistic. I mean, how many times do you hv to put your hand on the hot stove to understand how wonderful it felt before you did so.... before you got burned? Only once usually. Right? If you feel the pain of getting burned once, you pretty much know it forever and thus "appreciate" how desirable it is to NOT be in various states of pain and agony.

It's true though as you point out, that as soon as one thing comes into being, there is automatically the existence or at least the potential for existence of its polar opposite. In this way, the world is a kind of constant battleground where each is vying for dominance, sort of.

But that's the point. There doesn't have to be an equal amount of pain to define pleasure, the same amount of day as night, love as hate, good and bad.... In fact, according to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics, the tendency of the Universe is towards ever increasing entropy, or chaos. I mean this isn't an hypothesis, it's observed everywhere to be true, with no exception, has NEVER been disproved and thus, has the status of scientific LAW.

So don't worry! ALL manner of evil and discord and discontent and death and destruction is out there!! It sure as hell aint goin' away neither! I think the "downside" of all opposites is covered. Thats why it's the easiest thing in the world to be a bad ass, to create trouble and chaos - because you're just going along with the current, floating down the entropic river in your inner tube. While the opposite is true too: It's often the hardest thing in the world to do good, to be fair, to promote harmony in the middle of chaos, to oppose the forces of evil and fight for truth & justice.

This is also why everybody is sorta living on borrowed time. Why there are a million ways of dieing but only one way of coming into this world - and, importantly, why that way is the result of an expression of love between a man an a woman - who are each to the other maybe the highest order of opposites on the planet.



Imo, since true and selfless Love is the highest form of human expression, the ultimate battle taking place day to day, minute to minute is that occurring between love and hate and all the opposites along the love - hate spectrum. Of course I completely agree with Donnie Darko when he criticized his dumb HS teacher who bought into this whole paradigm way too literally in a classroom exercise one day.



But as a general principle, I do think you can understand the most fundamental conflict on this reality plane in those terms. When you consider how everything around us is trending towards higher and higher entropic states, it's easy to see how things are stacked against Love and Goodness and Righteousness and how every moment of the day is truly high drama. It's also easy to see how most people are overwhelmed and often give up, turn bad, take the bribe, go with the flow - seduced by the dark side of the Force. Nevertheless it's also true that Love is the ultimate answer to all conflict. And if it's true that "Love conquers all" - then just think of some of the stunning reversals that could happen if enough people in the world expressed this higher form of love simultaneously and somehow found a way to focus it towards the solving of a certain problem? I definitely think that's possible and that this kind of thing ca become real and commonplace and will represent a new kind of non-material technology that has never before been seen - or perhaps only occurred in ancient times, long before the time of so called "recorded history" - perhaps in undiscovered past civilizations on continents now submerged. Whatevr the history, it's interesting to wonder about this sort of thing anyways.

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right so when i walk up 2 u and slowly bludgeon you to death w/ a balpine hammer thats not bad.

i kno what "point" ur trying to make cuz i can see it on the top of ur head. other than that u hv no point. shaky <-- only a total dick or a parkinsons loser wuld choose this handel. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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right so when i walk up 2 u and slowly bludgeon you to death w/ a balpine hammer thats not bad.

i kno what "point" ur trying to make cuz i can see it on the top of ur head. other than that u hv no point. shaky <-- only a total dick or a parkinsons loser wuld choose this handel. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's ha-ha hilarious. You're comments officially demote you to Jack Thompson level.


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both sides need each-other to exist ; They co-exist.

Without one, there cannot be the other

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That's ha-ha hilarious. You're comments officially demote you to Jack Thompson level.


He got banned!


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There is no good or evil, these are things we made up.


I agree. As one of the titles of Friedrich Nietzsche's books: "Beyond Good and Evil".

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Since everything is but an apparition, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter.
—Longchenpa(14th century Tibet) "

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