"Prediction is very hard, especially when it's about the future" - Yogi Berra

Three hundred years ago Issac Newton said “I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”

I think nothing has changed for any of us and the ocean is vaster still as we have more questions to ask.

What do you think?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Three hundred years ago Issac Newton said “I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”

I would consider myself extremely fortunate were I ever to find a pebble nigh as smooth as what Sir Isaac found.

Originally posted by Mindship
I would consider myself extremely fortunate were I ever to find a pebble nigh as smooth as what Sir Isaac found.

As would I my friend although I think if we were going to we would have done by now. What do you think we have a larger Ocean now? I think we do.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As would I my friend although I think if we were going to we would have done by now. What do you think we have a larger Ocean now? I think we do.

I keep thinking how remarkable it is that we are mathematically able to know where other planets and moons in our solar system will be at a given time, so well that we are able to send spacecraft capable of rendez-vousing with several of them, on a given trip.

Yet when our robot senses do get there (eg, Jupiter and its moons), there are so many surprises that more new questions are raised than old ones answered.

As illumined by science, this Ocean is not only larger than we ever imagined, it's larger than we can imagine. 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
I keep thinking how remarkable it is that we are mathematically able to know where other planets and moons in our solar system will be at a given time, so well that we are able to send spacecraft capable of rendez-vousing with several of them, on a given trip.

Yet when our robot senses do get there (eg, Jupiter and its moons), there are so many surprises that more new questions are raised than old ones answered.

I agree totally

Originally posted by Mindship

As illumined by science, this Ocean is not only larger than we ever imagined, it's larger than we can imagine. 😉

I hope though one day we can imagine it. It will make evolution worthwhile my friend, or perhaps it is the attempt that makes it worthwhile!!!!

The ocean isn't bigger, nore is it getting bigger, but rather how we percieve it. For example, the ocean would seem so much larger if you were standing in the middle of it, than if you were standing at one of it's corners. It is like Mindship said, it is not in so much the ocean is larger than we thought it to be, but rather the ocean is large than our minds could possibly fathom. We are incapable of measuring the unmeasured...

Originally posted by AOR
The ocean isn't bigger, nore is it getting bigger, but rather how we percieve it. For example, the ocean would seem so much larger if you were standing in the middle of it, than if you were standing at one of it's corners. It is like Mindship said, it is not in so much the ocean is larger than we thought it to be, but rather the ocean is large than our minds could possibly fathom. We are incapable of measuring the unmeasured...

I think we are incredibly capable of adding structure to the unknowable. People like Michio Kaku would totally disagree with this statement of opinion you propose, that anything is permenantly unknowable.

Singularity believers like Vinge would go further still.

The ocean grows will perception, because we unravel it through questioning at present. Feynman suggested this in the 70's.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think we are incredibly capable of adding structure to the unknowable. People like Michio Kaku would totally disagree with this statement of opinion you propose, that anything is permenantly unknowable.

Singularity believers like Vinge would go further still.

The ocean grows will perception, because we unravel it through questioning at present. Feynman suggested this in the 70's.

And that is what divides us. For you see I believe the ocean was always large, where you believe the ocean is getting larger. However you made the point that it it grows with perception, and thus I say, "a thing that was shrouded from view doesn't become larger when unveiled. But rather has more to be questioned." We tend to make estimates on what we know and see. Absolutes are rare things to find...

I think that the ocean is probably getting larger, on the contrary science always believed that it was very small and that we always were very near of discovering everything since Isaac Newton, in his time many thought that they where near of knowing everything.

Many scientists today believe in the so called "theory of everything" that would explain everything giving like an end to science, that theory would be quantum gravity, they think that when they explain gravity which is the only force that remains unexplained, everything about the creation of our universe would be understood. I don´t believe in this. I think there is always something new, maybe that should explain the universe at some level, but we cannot generalize it without limiting our perception in a very fundamental level. I mean, to believe that we have explained entirely the universe is to define what reality is, and what is real and what is not real. These are metaphysical problems, and physics cannot answer them, they are things that we must believe in or not, it cannot be answered in the way science does. If science insists in doing this then they are acting like a religion do.

There still the scientific fact that no one can know if you have aldeary obtained all the knowledge possible to obtain in a determined system(the universe in this case).

I think we are alway finding pebbles and eventually they lead us to the shores of the sea........ mmmmmmmm philosophical.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Three hundred years ago Issac Newton said “I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”

I think nothing has changed for any of us and the ocean is vaster still as we have more questions to ask.

What do you think?

It will always be like that. The more you know, the more there is to know.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It will always be like that. The more you know, the more there is to know.

agreed, until you have the ability to know everything, I think you're familiar with the concept 😉

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
agreed, until you have the ability to know everything, I think you're familiar with the concept 😉

I think it like a fractal thing. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think it like a fractal thing. 😉

I think it's about being enlightened 😉

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think it's about being enlightened 😉

Enlightened? That would have more to do with nothing, then with everything. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Enlightened? That would have more to do with nothing, then with everything. 😛

depends what you think being enlightened is!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
depends what you think being enlightened is!

A most enlightened reply. I could not have predicted it. 😎

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A most enlightened reply. I could not have predicted it. 😎

Thankyou 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Thankyou 🙂

I hope you realize that I am a notorious smart ass. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I hope you realize that I am a notorious smart ass. 😆

I hope you realise I am to enlightened to respond further 😉