Originally posted by BlackC@
I know people that say "So what if I'm scared? It doesn't matter!"But isn't every emotion a pathway to deeper and darker feelings?
Example:
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering...
No, though I like Star Wars I don't think that a reasonable fear will lead to "dark feelings" or to harm.
If I am scared of jumping down a 30 metre bridge that is a most reasonable fear and I would say that someone that isn't afraid of it might very well head into way more suffering than me.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, though I like Star Wars I don't think that a reasonable fear will lead to "dark feelings" or to harm.If I am scared of jumping down a 30 metre bridge that is a most reasonable fear and I would say that someone that isn't afraid of it might very well head into way more suffering than me.
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its the only logical explanation Jim
Originally posted by BlackC@
You feel fear, that leads to something.
Everything leads to something . . .
All things contain chaos, your actions reorder it . But at the same time the rest of the universe move to disrupt you. Emotion is at the same time potentially explosive and without any chance of consequence.
Originally posted by Storm
We can take control over our emotions.
The trick is; we are always in control of our emotions. It is the dilution that other people make us... angry, fearful, and loving or whatever that makes us disconnected from how we feel. If we take responsibility for how we choose to feel, we then can change how we feel.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The trick is; we are always in control of our emotions. It is the dilution that other people make us... angry, fearful, and loving or whatever that makes us disconnected from how we feel. If we take responsibility for how we choose to feel, we then can change how we feel.
Yeah... I think we are always trying to be in control of our emotions, perhaps that make difficult for us to know how do we truly feel. This can cause harm since anger many times is the result of something that people want to remain hidden even if they aren´t aware of that.
Storm and Shaky, I disagree with you both...you cannot control your emotions, you can only condition your responses....
You can only learn how to think differently, and handle your emotions, learn to see past your emotions....
But you cannot control them. You can't choose how to feel. You can only choose to regard or disregard an emotion as valid / beneficial / worth enduring.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Storm and Shaky, I disagree with you both...you cannot control your emotions, you can only condition your responses....You can only learn how to think differently, and [b]handle
your emotions, learn to see past your emotions....But you cannot control them. You can't choose how to feel. You can only choose to regard or disregard an emotion as valid / beneficial / worth enduring. [/B]
I am responsible for every emotion I choose to have. I choose the emotion I have because I have chosen to enter a world. Each of the ten worlds has its own emotion. When I choose to go to Anger, I become angery. I don’t choose to be angry, for say, I choose to go into the world of anger. It is like a person who is on a plane crash, the crash may not be their fault, but they chose to be on the plane. It is that person’s karma that leads them to the plane, but they chose their karma, one small step at a time. There is no one else to blame, but yourself.
It' s time to clarify my earlier post.
The one thing you can take charge of is your own behaviour. You can only control your reactions to your emotions. Our reactions to other people are often determined by the way we feel and the kind of day we' ve had, rather than by what people actually do.
You cannot control your life so that you can prevent yourself from getting, say, angry. You can only choose how to respond to that anger, and you can use techniques which can help you control your thoughts, lessen the anger. You can either remove yourself from the situation, take a few deep breaths, think of something relaxing, focus on something positive, etc. or you can give in to your anger and respond aggressively.
You can' t get rid of, or avoid the things or the people that for example enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions.
Originally posted by Storm
It' s time to clarify my earlier post.The one thing you can take charge of is your own behaviour. You can only control your reactions to your emotions. Our reactions to other people are often determined by the way we feel and the kind of day we' ve had, rather than by what people actually do.
You cannot control your life so that you can prevent yourself from getting, say, angry. You can only choose how to respond to that anger, and you can use techniques which can help you control your thoughts, lessen the anger. You can either remove yourself from the situation, take a few deep breaths, think of something relaxing, focus on something positive, etc. or you can give in to your anger and respond aggressively.
You can' t get rid of, or avoid the things or the people that for example enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions.
You can also become ambivalent to the things that you cannot control and realise that what will be will be, because "That's life".
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Originally posted by Storm
The one thing you can take charge of is your own behaviour. You can only control your reactions to your emotions. Our reactions to other people are often determined by the way we feel and the kind of day we' ve had, rather than by what people actually do.
I think that's what you actually meant in your initial post. With this I agree. 🙂
Originally posted by Storm
You cannot control your life so that you can prevent yourself from getting, say, angry. You can only choose how to respond to that anger, and you can use techniques which can help you control your thoughts, lessen the anger. You can either remove yourself from the situation, take a few deep breaths, think of something relaxing, focus on something positive, etc. or you can give in to your anger and respond aggressively.
True, you have the power to deal with your emotions in any way you choose to do so. But emotions, themselves, are not a choice.
Originally posted by Storm
You can' t get rid of, or avoid the things or the people that for example enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions.
True, you can also question and challenge your emotions....
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am responsible for every emotion I choose to have.
I think you mean you are responsible for every thought you choose to think...you can't make yourself love someone you don't love, you can't make yourself like something you don't like, you can't make yourself relish torturing someone if you are not sadistic by nature.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I choose the emotion I have because I have chosen to enter a world. Each of the ten worlds has its own emotion. When I choose to go to Anger, I become angery. I don’t choose to be angry, for say, I choose to go into the world of anger.
If someone breaks my jaw, takes my wallet and my shoes, then hits my mother, steals her car keys, and drives away....guess what Shaky..
I didn't choose to go anywhere, or feel anything.
I either enter the World of Anger involunarily, or I was deported there by force.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is like a person who is on a plane crash, the crash may not be their fault, but they chose to be on the plane.
It may have been my choice to go to the supermarket, but it was not my choice to get my jaw broken...
I do not see how getting my jaw broken was my own fault.....
Entering a plane is NOT the same as entering a plane crash....
A choice is only a choice when you KNOW what you are choosing. If i did not conciously choose to be in a plane crash, then I did not choose the plain crash, and i am not responsible for it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is that person’s karma that leads them to the plane, but they chose their karma, one small step at a time. There is no one else to blame, but yourself.
Tell that to the Jews who suffered during the Holocaust..tell them it was thier fault they ended up where they were 🙄
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think you mean you are responsible for every thought you choose to think...you can't make yourself love someone you don't love, you can't make yourself like something you don't like, you can't make yourself relish torturing someone if you are not sadistic by nature.If someone breaks my jaw, takes my wallet and my shoes, then hits my mother, steals her car keys, and drives away....guess what Shaky..
I didn't choose to go anywhere, or feel anything.
I either enter the World of Anger involunarily, or I was deported there by force.
It may have been my choice to go to the supermarket, but it was not my choice to get my jaw broken...
I do not see how getting my jaw broken was my own fault.....
Entering a plane is NOT the same as entering a plane crash....
A choice is only a choice when you KNOW what you are choosing. If i did not conciously choose to be in a plane crash, then I did not choose the plain crash, and i am not responsible for it.
Tell that to the Jews who suffered during the Holocaust..tell them it was thier fault they ended up where they were 🙄
Why do you use the word "fault" in place of "responsible"? The two words have different meanings.
Someone brakes your jaw, while holding a gun to your mother’s head. Now do you act in the world of anger? No, because you are afraid that they will kill your mother. You have chosen to go to the world of Animality. How did you make that choice? According to you, you have no choice but to be in the world of Anger, and in the world of Anger you always attack and never think. You are making choices at a level beyond your thinking.
Karma can be good or evil, and the karma of one, or a few, can lead many into hell. Those who go into hell share in that karma. That does not mean that what happen to them is their fault, but it is what happened to them. They made chooses, right or wrong that lead them to hell.
Ever time you do something in life you join in on a river of cause and effect. The direction of this river is karma. A beggar on the street put himself there in some way. That does not mean that it was his fault, but he made choices. It also dose not mean that we should not care, or not help the person. We should help each other every chance we get.
As long as you give up your responsibility for choosing what world are in at any moment, you will be like a boat on a stormy sea. I understand why you disagree with me. You can’t fathom how you could be behind the confusion of your life. But I have an advantage over you; I chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo, and that helps me to bring clarity into my life in a way that I cannot explain to you. I can see myself moving from world to world, and that gives me the power to chose differently.
Shaky, it seems you ignore external factors.
I do not have control over my life. Neither do you. You may have control over yourself, but not your life.
Is Hurricane Katrina my doing ? Did I somehow cause it ? Did the black people who live there somehow bring the hurricane to thier midst ?
I AM NOT responsible for what another person does to me. I have no power over another person, only over myself. If a person attacks me, or my mother, he or she is an external factor, who I have no control over or responsbility for.
Nothing I did, could do, or done, is responsible for this person being at this place and at this time.
If a man or woman breaks my jaw, or hurts my loved ones, he or she is responsible for this event, NOT me or my loved one.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Shaky, it seems you ignore [b]external factors.I do not have control over my life. Neither do you. You may have control over yourself, but not your life.
Is Hurricane Katrina my doing ? Did I somehow cause it ? Did the black people who live there somehow bring the hurricane to thier midst ?
I AM NOT responsible for what another person does to me. I have no power over another person, only over myself. If a person attacks me, or my mother, he or she is an external factor, who I have no control over or responsbility for.
Nothing I did, could do, or done, is responsible for this person being at this place and at this time.
If a man or woman breaks my jaw, or hurts my loved ones, he or she is responsible for this event, NOT me or my loved one. [/B]
I never said anything about being responsible for anyone else, or hurricanes, or whatever. It seems that what I am telling you is simply something you are not ready for.
Let me help you:
No one can make me angry, no one can make me love. No one has any say over how I feel. I am the person responsible for all things in my life: the way I fell, where I am, and even the places in my potential I have not gone. If tomorrow I die in a car accident, it will be me, that got in the car, and no one made me. The accident maybe someone else’s fault, but I played a part. My karma is like a river, and I am on a boat, but I am the captain, and I say where the boat goes.
We are all connected…
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never said anything about being responsible for anyone else, or hurricanes, or whatever. It seems that what I am telling you is simply something you are not ready for.Let me help you:
No one can make me angry, no one can make me love. No one has any say over how I feel. I am the person responsible for all things in my life: the way I fell, where I am, and even the places in my potential I have not gone. If tomorrow I die in a car accident, it will be me, that got in the car, and no one made me. The accident maybe someone else’s fault, but I played a part. My karma is like a river, and I am on a boat, but I am the captain, and I say where the boat goes.
We are all connected…
You got in that car because:
You had to go to work
You had to buy groceries
Your freind wanted a visit
Your mother was sick
etc.
There are external factors that determine what happens to us, and all we can do is respond.
I agree that we are all connected, but I have no power over another person, the way another person has no power over me. (Only If I allow them that power, or vise versa)
However, I am not independent of external forces. Without external forces, I cannot act, because there will nothing to respond to.
Karma is a tricky concept, because sometimes horrid things happen to wondorful people, and wondorful things happen to horrid people.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You got in that car because:You had to go to work
You had to buy groceries
Your freind wanted a visit
Your mother was sick
etc.
There are external factors that determine what happens to us, and all we can do is respond.
I agree that we are all connected, but I have no power over another person, the way another person has no power over me. (Only If I allow them that power, or vise versa)
However, I am not independent of external forces. Without external forces, I cannot act, because there will nothing to respond to.
Karma is a tricky concept, because sometimes horrid things happen to wondorful people, and wondorful things happen to horrid people.
Life is not fair, is the simple answer to the karma question.
I agree, you have external factors, but you choose to respond to those factors. You always have a choice. The cost maybe too high for you to pay, but that again is a choice that you make.