Maybe that facts are obvious, like composition of water is H-O-H, and they are only signs for the truth, truth is one, and facts are many but are signals to our mind in what direction we need to focus our thinking...
One example would be that 2+2=4, and we all agree that it is, but the truth would be if we discover why is it so...
Not much of the thinking process involved in this matter, just what came up to me in this moment
A fact represents a reliable piece of information, but it may not necessarily be valid as far as truth is concerned. "Truth" I see as "what's really going on," independent of human perspective.
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What you said you believe is true but everyone else posted what they believed was true.
If someone pasted definitions of the words, those definitions would be considered fact.
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
And why are Truth and Fact equaling different letters?
They both have the same base in their definitions. They are both used in each others definitions!
Practically every time you use the word FACT you can replace it with the word TRUE.
Can you except synonyms or not?
Genuine facts are always true, but a fact isn' t quite the same as a true proposition.
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This is probably because most dictionaries define words as (more/less) generally understood. They're not going to delve into finer nuances of meaning and/or any philosophical implications, such as many of us at KMC like to do.
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Shinier than a speeding bullet.
Do not have the conversation with someone face to face. They will chew you up and spit you out if you repeat that.
I'm guess you mean "accept" instead of "except" also...
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
I'm certain someone can say this better than me but here goes:
Facts are objective and will be true if someone knows it is that way or not.
Truth is dependent on paradigm or previously known data (or told data).
Before she finds out: The boy is gay - that is a fact. She doesn't not have to know he is gay for it be a fact. He is gay regardless of her knowledge of it. It is also true because he is REALLY IS gay.
She finds out: It is both truth and fact TO HER now.
Another example: In the movie 28 Weeks Later, a man leaves his wife, who wanted to go back to save a young boy, in a house with the infected (which are like fast zombies creatures) and she is attacked. He could have attempted to leave with her but he thought he could make it out alive if alone. He survives and tells his children (the children he had with his wife; this is "28 weeks" after that event) there was nothing he could do and he saw her die. All he actually saw was her getting attacked up by the infected as she banged on the window screaming his name, but he assumed she died. She is found later on in the movie, still alive.
Here are a few example that can be given:
Telling the children there was nothing he could do:
- Not a fact because he COULD HAVE attempted to save her along with the child. She was not dead before he left her behind. They would have likely all died if he tried but he said there was nothing he could do. It is not true because of how he said it "there was NOTHING I could do."
There is always a possibility for weird shit to happen but he did not even attempt to save them so this is not true either; however this is what he told the children so to them, what their father says was TRUE and a fact (subjectively, because they trust his word), BUT it is not a fact objectively because that is not what REALLY HAPPENED.
KEEP IN MIND NOT ALL TRUTHS ARE FACTS, BUT ALL FACTS ARE TRUTHS (if this next example is wrong please correct me).
Locke explained the "blank slate" idea in that all people start off with their knowledge and morality blank. They learn from what is around them - company they keep and how they are educated (it much more complex and it is not a slight of Locke but I am paraphrasing for this point in particular).
Similarly, in the Bible it says:
"Train up a child in the way that he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Prov 22:6)
I would continue but I do not want to look like a pompous ass. Someone please pick up.
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
And what a guess it was! I'm guessing you meant "guessing" instead of "guess"..that's quite petty huh? It's like you forgot the "because".
So, what I'm getting is that a fact is commonly seen as something that can be decidedly proven (through what is trusted and reasonable- scientific understanding).
And that truth is more so seen as a self apparent fact, that doesn't have to be proven in the exact way as fact.
"Hence science prefers to use the term fact in preference to truth and other fields such as theology prefers to use the term truth in preference to fact!"
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
This could be something I do not know. Hell, I was asking.
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
Honestly, I read a few things online and my opinion has changed.
It's not as if it was an extreme opinion or anything...have you ever learned anything? You may have-then you might understand.
But, I feel confident with what I wrote latest on Truth and Fact.
__________________ -"Let's have some new cliches." - Samuel Goldwyn
-"For your information, I would like to ask a question." - Samuel Goldwyn
I would said that the exact opposite. Truth and fact replacing each other in each spot.
__________________ "i love really really hard but i hold even harder grudges. and i just dont want to have to hurt your pretty little face... ever. haha. okay, but seriously... dont **** with me, okay?"
- Current Girlfriend
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." - Thomas Gray
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May 23rd, 2007 02:02 AM
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
