In 2000 supposedly a man calling himself john titor traveled in time from 2036. His first stop was in 1975 to get a computer called an ibm 5100 due to some specail feature it had to read apl, basic, unix, and recode them. Unix has a big bug in 2038 he says.
Anyways besides that he dropped hints as to certain things that have come and passed since that time and even greater things to come, At first i was very very skeptical. Till i noticed 2 things in the daily news that he had mentioned that surfaced very recently. By the way if i havnt mentioned it yet he was posting on irc, as well as some general discussion fourms like this one.
Before i show you, this fourms purpose for me is to simply organize Facts and fallacies of what he had said. Ultimately to see if the futiture he speaks of is what we are heading towards.
Here is what has re ignited my intrest in this character.
John titor is time travel0
G° : what happens in December 2012?
wyrmkin_37 : i saw it the good guys were called shadow?
G° : anything?
TimeTravel_0 : Ahhh..the acient miayn prohecies.
G° : the very same
TimeTravel_0 :
wyrmkin_37 : mayans
TimeTravel_0 : sorry
wyrmkin_37 : ?
TimeTravel_0 : Nothing happens...but there is a nuclear war in 2015.
G° : bugger
TimeTravel_0 : Its not that bad.
TimeTravel_0 : The bombs are much cleaner.
G° : i guess not
wyrmkin_37 : china and russia ?
TimeTravel_0 : There's a civial war in the US .
wyrmkin_37 : whoa?
TimeTravel_0 : Russian launches against China , Europe and the US .
So there is a civil war in the united states and russia bombs us in 2015.
Heres what he said that got me though "the bombs are much cleaner"
that was in 2001, a clean nuke wasnt really heard of back then was it?
not for me at least.
And just recently i wake up to fox news saying guess what.
Guess.....Really
ok well...
Russia has made a new bomb.
3x more powerful than our nukes.
and that not the end of it.
absoutly zero radiation is produced.
Sounds like a clean wmd to me.
now the second thing that caught my eye about what he has said is that america goes into a state of civil war, its not citizen vs citizen tho.
Much more like people vs the state. Im not going to go into great detail about this at the moment but.
if you havnt seen it yet look at the video of the kid getting tazered and arrested at the john kerry Q&A in USF.
So how crushed is your world going to be when there is no war with Russia in 2015?
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I dont remeber saying there was going to be a war with russia in 2015. As well as no where did i state that this is a whole hearted belief of mine, If you read i stated that i am interested in this idea and what this person said, and i am trying to simply look through what this guy said to seperate facts from fiction. Its all in my opening post. So no i wont be crushed if there is no bombing, I would be happy. If there is a bombing how crushed would you be? Also what makes you belive that it may not be a possibility. Look at whats going on. America and is government is rather despised by many of the other countries.
Since Titor left, the predictions for events that were supposed to take place by this point in time have all failed to occur.
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What in peticular have you seen not happen please enlighten me? Ive been going through the archives and googled many of the things he has mentioned, and alot of it came back positive, the 5100 does have the capabilities that he mentioned, a soldiers winter was written and shown similarities to what he had quoted, russia has clean nukes, the daily media is showing more perversions in the system itself, Cern is going in the direction that he mentioned...I found a fourm on here about man made black holes through partical accleration as well dont know if its actully happned yet or not but i found it interesting. Please keep in mind in no way am i trying to defend what he wrote, The things he said are just rather haunting to me. Im sure other people as well. Anyways im completely open to anything anyone can post to prove or debunk this whole john titor thing, so if youd like to take the time to just copy and paste somthing he said and post some kind of fact that proves it was right or wrong would be greatly apperciated. Once again i dont belive, i am completely agnostic to the john titor expirence.
oh yes btw, how did you first come across john titor, did you post on the original fourms?
Dude, this is utter shite and should probably just be closed. If you believe this yourself, or think that others are gullible enough to believe you, I feel sorry for you. I think the best case scenario is that you're just trying to role-play on an online forum and mess with some people.
Look at any prediction ever made by anyone. Ever. Including the laughably vague Nostradamus prophecies that have been formally debunked numerous times. None of them come true, and if they do it's because the "prophecy" is so vague that it could apply to almost anything, and people reinterpret the predictions to make them work.
Im sorry but do you people not see me saying I dont belive.
That im just trying to point out things that have happned.
And the things that have not.
Im not role playing, ive already stated my role on here and if is anything im just organizing what may be facts, or coincidences .
And the fallacies.
Why does everyone have to i guess verbally assault me about this subject. Is it really that aggravating looking at the stuff ive posted in one day? Or is it a possibility you people could be scared by the idea that we are already FUBAR. Im not even pretending to be a time traveler and i can already see why this man may have done it. Its already generated so much controversy in only 10 hours.
My apologies for some of it (not all, however). It's obviously ludicrous and so my assessment that it should be closed stands. But at least you're giving lip service to skepticism, so my apologies for immediately assuming the worst.
As for "facts and fallacies", it's more just relaying information from the latest paranormal claim. Investigating it with any reliable empiricism would require far more than we're able to do from an internet forum.
i like you, but analyzing it is completely possible if you consider the purpose of the internet.
the purpose of the internet is to spred all the knowledge of man to those who may be interested to specific knowledge in my opinion so for the few of you whom may have read this John speaks of gravitational distortion (time Travel) being discovered at cern in 2001 through the lhc experiments which coincidentally happened to be disrupted by an earthquake that year, so i recently google searched man made black holes, that which he describes to be the basis of time travel, and cern is getting ready to carry on they're experiments with the lhc and have already considered the possibility of micro singularities (small black holes developing) from they're experiments.
These micro singularities are the basis of time travel according to John's statements.
like i earlier stated i am using the internet to organize all the facts or mis truths that may possibly be out there about this idividual.
I Whole heartadly accept your apology, as well as apperciate your following this fourm i do need as much help in this as possible so please if you do remain interested in what i say please feel free to post whatever you want about john and his predictions here.
btw. in my opinion the lanterns were the badasses of theyre comic days.
Kk, cool. Glad we're (sorta) on the same page. It's just that, what are this guys credentials? Does he actually understand how singularities work? Stephen Hawking has theorized on this sort of time travel (see A Brief History of Time for more), but even he (one of the world's foremost physicists) will be the first to tell you we're decades (probably centuries) from even entertaining thoughts of approaching that kind of technology.
Your boy is just pulling a fast one on anyone gullible enough to listen, just like the followers of John of God (a "healer" living in South America), or any other paranormal claim from psychics to alien abductions to remote viewing to time travel, to almost anything else that seems exciting but isn't backed by any rational arguments or empirical research.
And it's one thing to discuss legitimate phenomenon, but it's stuff like forum threads that lend credibility to people like John Titor, because for every person who realizes the hoax that it is, there wil be two who think "But what if it's real..??" and his personal meme will travel through the minds of the populace, most of whom are already credulous when it comes to claims such as this.
now were getting interesting. I myself am not a physicist, i am only a 19 year old boy with a intrest in the idea of time travel, and a post apocalyptic futiture, so in other words if you are a physicist i could propose john's theroys to you and give you my high school physics opinions on what he said. Therefore you may be able to further debunk what he said if you are a physicist. So therefore i can only respond to you with repostings of what he said.
First of all gravitational distortion (Micro singularities or atomic black holes)
Google CERN or Man made black holes
he states something about Kerr black holes
A Kerr black hole is a black hole that rotates (that has no singularity or point of infinite destruction) being the key to time travel.
second the Kerr hole must be electrified.
thirdly there must be two of these black holes.
One for steering the machine, The other for time travel itself.
since i cannot post links due to my newbie status i will leave a link somewhat cryptically.
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next (Crypt .JOHNTITOR.) has a vareity of equations to further explain how it works that i will post followed by the end of the link to one of the sites i am refrencing form.
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cant figiure it out than you must be blind.
John's algebra on time travel.
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On a nearby thread, Brad writes:
((John has been unable to explain Time Travel, I will explain it here.
So where do we start? Well let us start with one of the greatest triumphs of the human mind, the great theorem of Pythagoras, a true pillar of all mathematics and physics. The theorem, which is applicable to right angled triangles in flat Cartesian (Newtonian) space takes the form of:
c^2 = a^2 + b^2
where a, b and c are the lengths of the sides of the triangle.
Next we will jump straight to Einstein's theory of Relativity which states that neither time, length, or indeed mass remain constant additive quantities when approaching the speed of light c. Our simple ideas of time and space come from the fact the we are so used to living in a three dimensional universe. Einstein showed that this was simply not true and in fact all the "foundational" three laws of Newton have to be fudged by the Lorentz factor
L_f = (1 - v^2/c^2)^-1/2
There are, however, certain quantities that do remain constant. These constants are related to four-dimensional quantities known as metric tensors. From this Einstein proved that space and time are two aspects of the same thing and that matter and energy are also two aspects of the same thing. From the second of these concepts we get the most famous equation in physics
E = mc^2
Now since time and space are aspects of space-time and we wish to travel through time and not build atom bombs we will leave E=mc^2 for the moment. To illustrate this, look at the extension of Pythagorean theorem for the distance, d, between two points in space:
d^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2
where x, y and z are the lengths, or more correctly the difference in the co-ordinates, in each of the three spatial directions. This distance remains constant for fixed displacements of the origin.
In Einstein's relativity the same equation is modified to remain constant with respect to displacement (and rotation), but not with respect to motion. For a moving object, at least one of the lengths from which the distance, d, is calculated is contracted relative to a stationary observer. The equation now becomes:
d^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 (1-v^2/c^2)^1/2
and this implies that the distances all shrink as one moves faster, so does this mean there are no constant distances left in the universe? The answer is that there are because of Einstein's revolutionary concept of space-time where time is distance and distance is time! So now
s^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - ct^2
and this new distance s (remember s stands for Space-time) does indeed remain constant for all who are in relative motion. This distance is said to be a Lorentz transformation invariant and has the same value for all inertial observers. Since the equation mixes time and space up we have to always think in terms of this new concept: space-time!
Then one runs into the problem of 'outside dating'. Meaning, as the traveler manipulates space-time, the rest of the universe ages normaly. Then we must take inter-dimensional transition into account. Once a hole is ripped into a dimensions fabric, it follows whatever entered the rip. Once the travler enters the new dimension, he commences his engines to reach the c speed (speed of light), and travels through time. The rip on the travelers side will stay in the same geographic location, while traveling through time, while the rip on the new dimension will follow the traveler. Once the desired time is reached, the travelar reenters the rip, and he has effectively traveled through time))
((As for John Titor's corrections on space-time manipulation, he has completed it correctly. However, he still an imposter.))
Apparently, I have made the leap from “fraud” to imposter. At least that's a start and I respect my opponent on his polite yet quiet concession on the other thread. I wish to emphasize a point I tired to make earlier. Even though I answered the question correctly, it doesn't really prove one way or another if I'm a time traveler and you should not think otherwise. I might just be really quick at looking up things up on the web.
I suppose we could debate whether or not I'm a fraud all the way up to the point I leave your worldline. "
My guess is, you can't make any more of those numbers and equations than I can. But here's another problem: I know enough about the basics of physics to know that it's an extremely watered-down version of "time travel" using only a few recognizable equations.
Beyond that, there's a few noticable flaws that even I can detect (with my highly-scientific English degree). One, black holes aren't the basis for worm-hole time travel. Black holes are simply gravitational wells that trap light, and the only consequence of the singularity they produce that is accepted on a theoretical level is the theory of "bubble universes" that spawn from our own and form in black hole singularities.
Two, Einsteinian relativity also tells us that we can't acheive or exceed the speed of light, only approach it. To do so would be to reach infinite mass, and the force needed to keep that pace would be similarly infinite, which is obviously impossible to produce. So the "faster than light = time travel" idea, when applied to relativity, seems tantalizing because it might actually be what happens if you exceed light speed. But it's not possible.
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Listen, if this guy were serious, the scientific community would be taking him seriously. And are they? No. Because he's just another fringe lunatic that is either delusional or playing to the gullibility of the general populace. I'm not here to discuss the generalities of his math equations, just to tell you to open your eyes and see that this is absurd and obviously false. It's one thing to be interested in this stuff (which is fine), but quite another to set aside reason for the sake of believing in something.
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