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FistOfThe North
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Luck

I'd like to examine this concept or idea.

I believe "luck" happens because of knowledge and skill. Meaning Luck is the residue of knowledge and skill.

One person said that the harder or smarter he worked the luckier he got.

Some would say luck is just positive coincidence that happens by chance but i think luck is in one's own power and it can be controlled so as to have it happen more willfully than coincidentally..

What do you think?


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unusual karma. very good karma.

i think lady luck does smile down upon some people randomly/psuedo randomly smile. i dunno.


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Luck is a very strange concept. I'd like to just outright say that it doesn't exist, but it clearly does. Not in any metaphysical sense imho, but there are things that one can count as lucky.

My opinion would be that luck is the inadvertant accomplishment of a particular goal (re: unearned positive feeling) or aversion of a potential threat. I would never say that luck comes from someone working hard, because I feel that is demeaning to the person who works hard. I totally reject the idea of karma as anything beyond recriprical altruism, although one could be "lucky" in the way that others display their altruism.


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luck is luck. often times since we see expected randomness in percieved good fortune in people{when viewing societ as a whole from an unibased prespective}, i suppose it could simply be the few individuals who deviate from the norm{also probable among many many individuals} and consistantly{due to random coincidence} have percieved good things happen to them. like 1 out of a 216 people will probably throw three 6s in a row due to a random coincidence.

ofcourse.... it could be more than that smile


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It was Samuel Goldwyn who said that "the harder he worked, the luckier he got", and it was said in a business context. In business, entrepreneurs largely do make their own luck. They owe their success to working hard, taking initiative, learning from past mistakes, ... In short, common sense.

If I win the lottery then it isn' t because of my knowledge and skills. Luck is random. It can be favorable or not, but it is always occasional, brief, and impermanent.


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Originally posted by leonheartmm
unusual karma. very good karma.

i think lady luck does smile down upon some people randomly/psuedo randomly smile. i dunno.


The Karma thing revolves around the "everything that goes around comes around" concept. That way is still action based in terms of willing luck to happen.

You do good with the intention of receiving something in return, just without asking for it. (Well I guess you're asking for it if you have that intention.) So it's more of a silent positive asking if you've given out good karma.

But it's not random. As in it just happens to you out of the blue or by chance or for no reason. It can happen to you at anytime but that's because you've somehow willed "or asked" for it earlier and probably unknowingly.


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I don't believe in luck. The universe operates through cause and effect. Luck is a word humans use to describe patterns in causality that are at best arbitrary. It is like looking at a wall and seeing faces. You may see faces, but they are not there.


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Originally posted by inimalist
Luck is a very strange concept. I'd like to just outright say that it doesn't exist, but it clearly does. Not in any metaphysical sense imho, but there are things that one can count as lucky.

My opinion would be that luck is the inadvertant accomplishment of a particular goal (re: unearned positive feeling) or aversion of a potential threat. I would never say that luck comes from someone working hard, because I feel that is demeaning to the person who works hard. I totally reject the idea of karma as anything beyond recriprical altruism, although one could be "lucky" in the way that others display their altruism.


Luck does exist metaphysically. And I don't think luck is unearned. It seems, as i said earlier, that luck is the residue of skill and knowledge. Karma has relevance to it too.

And I don't think it's demeaning at all to say someone has some luck out of working hard. I'm not saying: "He works hard cause he's lucky. He just has an ability, unbeknownst to him, to work hard and succeed, but it's not all him." No. I'm saying: "He works hard and has succeeded to the heights he's attained. Any luck that happened was earned. Thing is, no one gets to the top with out some measure of luck."

There are tons of potential professional-grade athletes that'll never go pro. And they'll work extremely, and/or just as hard as current pro-sports players but there will be that one thing that'll prevent them from getting there despite all that hard work. And that's (bad) luck.


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I don't believe in luck. The universe operates through cause and effect. Luck is a word humans use to describe patterns in causality that are at best arbitrary. It is like looking at a wall and seeing faces. You may see faces, but they are not there.



Luck exists. I as well believe in cause and effect but I also believe it's why luck can exist.


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Luck does exist metaphysically. And I don't think luck is unearned. It seems, as i said earlier, that luck is the residue of skill and knowledge. Karma has relevance to it too.

And I don't think it's demeaning at all to say someone has some luck out of working hard. I'm not saying: "He works hard cause he's lucky. He just has an ability, unbeknownst to him, to work hard and succeed, but it's not all him." No. I'm saying: "He works hard and has succeeded to the heights he's attained. Any luck that happened was earned. Thing is, no one gets to the top with out some measure of luck."

There are tons of potential professional-grade athletes that'll never go pro. And they'll work extremely, and/or just as hard as current pro-sports players but there will be that one thing that'll prevent them from getting there despite all that hard work. And that's (bad) luck.


Try an experiment; have different people flip quarters and record the result and ask the person how lucky they are. You have to do a lot of flipping per person; if the results are significantly different from person to person then there is such a thing as luck. However, if the numbers average out to be the same, then there is no such thing as luck.


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Luck does exist metaphysically. And I don't think luck is unearned. It seems, as i said earlier, that luck is the residue of skill and knowledge. Karma has relevance to it too.


What does that say about blacks becoming slaves?


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I try not to attribute things to luck as much as possible. I think psychological forces should be explored first, including our predilection for seeing patterns, or at the very least wanting to see patterns. If there are transcendent forces involved, then I would imagine, at that level, the distinction between subject (the person) and object (luck) gets blurred.


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Despite being a racist, I think FOTN makes a rather good point though. Not that I think luck has any metaphysical bearing, I just think the word is attributed to causes on your life that you might not have power over or that are not obvious or explicable.


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Luck exists. ...


Please provide poof for this statement. I think the truth is that you believe luck to exist, but that is quite different then saying it does exist.


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What does that say about blacks becoming slaves?



Hey. What are you doing in here. You're not smart enough to be in here. (you're not smart enough at all actually.)

So shoo. Scram, Timberland.


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The Karma thing revolves around the "everything that goes around comes around" concept.



A simple and common misunderstanding.


Buddhist Karma is not like Hindu or "Christian" Karma. Karma is a trail of cause and effect, and can be changed at any time. One little thought will lead to a little action which will lead to another thought which will lead to another greater action, which will cause a chain reaction of thoughts, emotions, and actions, all resulting from the prior thought, emotion, or action.

While Hindus beleive your karma in one lifetime is fixed, and that another lifetime is required to improve karma, Buddhists beleive you can change your karma any time in your life.


If you aim to hurt someone, you are putting out negativity which will become something worse, depending on your next series of choices.


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What does that say about blacks becoming slaves?



Short straw like a mother ****er


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i find that i get really lucky after i have some coffee eek! and I'm not so lucky any other time.

which is why i believe in luck


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Hey. What are you doing in here. You're not smart enough to be in here. (you're not smart enough at all actually.)

So shoo. Scram, Timberland.
But, but. I'm white.
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W-what?


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But, but. I'm white.


With down syndrome. So don't let the door hit you in the hump, Timbo.

Now beat it.


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