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What do you think about future society?

I hope this will not happened:
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing...

I think the year 2020 will be like this:
The entire world is one family. The framework of Altruistic Communism ultimately encircle the entire world in an equal standard of living to everybody. However, the actual process is a gradual one. Each nation whose majority accepts these basic elements practically, and who have already been brought up to bestow upon their fellow person and will have a sound cause for fuel, may enter the framework of the international communism right away.
All the nations that have already gone under the framework of international communism will have equal standards of living. The surplus of a wealthy or a diligent nation will improve the living standards of the failing or poor nation in raw materials and productive means.
The economic and religious form that guarantees communism will be one for all nations. It means that the religious form of all nations must first obligate its members to bestowal upon their fellow person in the form of “Love thy friend as thyself.” The aim is that the gifted and the lucky shall not enjoy society more than the backward members. This will be the collective religion for all nations that will come under the framework of the Altruistic Communism, excluding religious forms that do not concern the economic life.
On other matters of comportment, each will have his or her own form, which should not be changed. In other words: except for the matter of “Love thy friend as thyself,” each nation may follow its own religion and tradition, and one must not interfere with another.
There should be no differences between black and white, civilized and primitive, just as among individuals of the same nation. There must be no discrimination among individuals, a nation, or all the nations of the world. As long as there are differences, war will not end.
Altruistic Communism will finally annul the brute-force regime completely, for “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. However, today, most people have accepted that and reduce the forceful rule on children...
All this and more else are Kabbalah's offer for a future society.

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Originally posted by svetlu
I hope this will not happened:
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing...

I think the year 2020 will be like this:
The entire world is one family. The framework of Altruistic Communism ultimately encircle the entire world in an equal standard of living to everybody. However, the actual process is a gradual one. Each nation whose majority accepts these basic elements practically, and who have already been brought up to bestow upon their fellow person and will have a sound cause for fuel, may enter the framework of the international communism right away.
All the nations that have already gone under the framework of international communism will have equal standards of living. The surplus of a wealthy or a diligent nation will improve the living standards of the failing or poor nation in raw materials and productive means.
The economic and religious form that guarantees communism will be one for all nations. It means that the religious form of all nations must first obligate its members to bestowal upon their fellow person in the form of “Love thy friend as thyself.” The aim is that the gifted and the lucky shall not enjoy society more than the backward members. This will be the collective religion for all nations that will come under the framework of the Altruistic Communism, excluding religious forms that do not concern the economic life.
On other matters of comportment, each will have his or her own form, which should not be changed. In other words: except for the matter of “Love thy friend as thyself,” each nation may follow its own religion and tradition, and one must not interfere with another.
There should be no differences between black and white, civilized and primitive, just as among individuals of the same nation. There must be no discrimination among individuals, a nation, or all the nations of the world. As long as there are differences, war will not end.
Altruistic Communism will finally annul the brute-force regime completely, for “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. However, today, most people have accepted that and reduce the forceful rule on children...
All this and more else are Kabbalah's offer for a future society.
Hahaha. You think Altruistic Communism will be everywhere by the year 2020?


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Re: What do you think about future society?

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Originally posted by svetlu
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing...
Cool song.

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I think the year 2020 will be like this:
The banking and loan industries will be drowning in money because of the $50,000 - $500,000 every student graduating college between now and then will owe, this on top of the million-dollar-plus mortgages from first-home ownership. In other words: behold the first generation that will spend their entire adult lives never out of deep, deep debt, while the Haves and Have-Mores will have more than ever.


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...while the Haves and Have-Mores will have more than ever.


That's been the thread for a long time.


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In 9595 mankind will either be exterminatedore haved found other planets to colonize duo to over original lacking the ressources, It will possibly be kept alive with Nanobots, just as a form of landmark.


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That's been the thread for a long time.


Agreed. Socialism sucks.


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Agreed. Socialism sucks.
I fail to see the connection between bankers and socialism.


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That's been the thread for a long time.
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I fail to see the connection between bankers and socialism.
So do most.


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Originally posted by svetlu
I hope this will not happened:
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing...

I think the year 2020 will be like this:
The entire world is one family. The framework of Altruistic Communism ultimately encircle the entire world in an equal standard of living to everybody. However, the actual process is a gradual one. Each nation whose majority accepts these basic elements practically, and who have already been brought up to bestow upon their fellow person and will have a sound cause for fuel, may enter the framework of the international communism right away.
All the nations that have already gone under the framework of international communism will have equal standards of living. The surplus of a wealthy or a diligent nation will improve the living standards of the failing or poor nation in raw materials and productive means.
The economic and religious form that guarantees communism will be one for all nations. It means that the religious form of all nations must first obligate its members to bestowal upon their fellow person in the form of “Love thy friend as thyself.” The aim is that the gifted and the lucky shall not enjoy society more than the backward members. This will be the collective religion for all nations that will come under the framework of the Altruistic Communism, excluding religious forms that do not concern the economic life.
On other matters of comportment, each will have his or her own form, which should not be changed. In other words: except for the matter of “Love thy friend as thyself,” each nation may follow its own religion and tradition, and one must not interfere with another.
There should be no differences between black and white, civilized and primitive, just as among individuals of the same nation. There must be no discrimination among individuals, a nation, or all the nations of the world. As long as there are differences, war will not end.
Altruistic Communism will finally annul the brute-force regime completely, for “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. However, today, most people have accepted that and reduce the forceful rule on children...
All this and more else are Kabbalah's offer for a future society.


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When I finished school I believed that socialism would be the best, but now I am not sure. maybe parts of a socialistic society might work though. I do understand that there are many problems with a Democratic society also. When a majority rules, it's not always the best policy and when a lesser majority takes persistent then I believe that is not for the people either.

I might be forgetting a few things, but I don't believe the US is honestly Democratic, but works as a Republic anywhoo.

Okay, now that I'm done....LET'S HAVE A FREE FOR ALL...unless it harms anyone else. Now, what is that called?


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Okay, now that I'm done....LET'S HAVE A FREE FOR ALL...unless it harms anyone else. Now, what is that called?


depending on how strict of an authority you want enforcing the no-harm rule, it would span anywhere from classical liberalism to individualist anarchy


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Should also check out the link to the non aggression principle in my signature.


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So do most.
Most normal people?


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Most normal people?
Yeah.


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Yeah.
Okay, what is the connection?


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Okay, what is the connection?
Bankers use the increased state to their advantage.


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depending on how strict of an authority you want enforcing the no-harm rule, it would span anywhere from classical liberalism to individualist anarchy
With due respect to others would work fine for me. cool


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We can all see how such a great society as the state of Russia, with its hundreds of millions and a land exceeding that of the whole of Europe, with almost second to none possession of raw materials, has agreed to lead a communal life, and has effectively abolished private property. Each of them has no other concern but the well-being of society, and they have seemingly acquired the virtue of bestowal upon one’s fellow person in its fullest sense, as far as the human mind can reach.

However, go and see what has become of them: where they should have progressed and surpassed the capitalistic countries, they have declined ever downward. By now, they are incapable of benefiting the lives of the workers even a little more than those in the capitalistic countries. Moreover, they cannot even secure their daily bread and cover their flesh. Indeed, this is a perplexing truth, as judging by the wealth of this country and its multitude of people, one assumes it should not have come to that.

However, there is one sin this nation has committed for which the Creator will not forgive: all this precious and sublime work of bestowal upon one’s fellow person that they have begun to pursue should have been for the sake of the Creator, not for the sake of humankind. Thus, because they do it not for His name, they are denied their right to exist by nature itself.

Imagine if every person in this society would be as anxious to keep the precept of the Creator in the full measure of the words, “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.” Imagine also how to that extent every one would be attentive and stand ready to satisfy the needs and wishes of their friends in the full measure imprinted in humans to satisfy their own desires, as it says, “Love thy friend as thyself.”

If the Creator had been the purpose of every worker in his work for the common good, and if the worker would expect to cleave to the Creator, to the origin of all the truth, goodness, pleasantness and gentleness through this work for the society, there is no doubt that in a few years they would surpass in riches all the nations of the world put together. They would be able to utilize the raw materials in their rich soil and would indeed set an example to all nations; they would be considered blessed by the Creator.

However, when the entire work in bestowal to one’s fellow person is based solely on the well-being of society, it is a rickety basis, for who and what would make one strain for the collective? It is impossible to hope that any motivating power would ever stem from a dry and lifeless principle. This is true for evolved individuals, and moreover for undeveloped people.

Thus, we are faced with the question: Where would the farmer or the worker take the motivating power to prompt him to the work, when the measure of one’s daily bread shall not increase or decrease by wasting one’s energy, and no reward and pay face one (Motivating power: a force, purpose. It is the operating force that sets any body in motion and provides it with its ration of energy for the labour as the fuel does in a machine)?

It is known to natural scientists that one will not make even the slightest movement without a motivating force, meaning without benefiting oneself somewhat. For example, when one moves his hand from the chair to the table, it is only because he thinks that by this he will have greater enjoyment leaving his hand on the table. Had he not thought so, he would leave his hand on the chair motionless for the entire duration of his life; all the more so regarding greater efforts.

If you should say that this matter can be resolved by placing supervisors over the workers, to punish the idle by taking their daily bread away, I shall then ask: “Do tell me, where would the supervisors themselves find the motivating force to work?” Standing still and watching over other people and motivating them to work is also a great exertion, perhaps more than the work itself! Thus, it seems as though one wishes to turn a machine on without fueling it.

Hence, they are naturally doomed to ruin. The laws of nature will punish them for they do not adapt themselves to keep its commandments, meaning perform these acts of bestowal upon one’s fellow person for the sake of the Creator, keep it and through it reach the purpose of creation, namely adhesion with Him.

It has been explained that this adhesion comes to the worker as an increasingly abundant pleasure, to the desired measure for ascension in the recognition of His truth. It develops on until one acquires the great adornment implied in the words, “neither hath the eye seen a God beside Thee.”

Imagine if the worker and the farmer had this goal before their eyes as they worked for the happiness of society. They would certainly not need supervisors over them, as they would have quite sufficient motivating power for great efforts, enough to raise society to sublime elation.

While it is true that understanding the matter in such a manner requires great care and reliable order, it is also plain to see that they have no right to exist from the perspective of the obstinate, uncompromising nature.

Thus, it has shown from the perspective of empiric intellect, and through the actual history unfolding before our eyes, that there is absolutely no cure for humankind except in taking upon themselves the commandment of providence, namely bestowal upon one’s fellow person in order to bring contentment to the Creator.

The above must be done in the spirit of the two verses: “Love thy friend as thyself,” the attribute of the work itself. It means that the measure of the effort to bestow upon one’s fellow person for the well-being of society must be no less than the amount imprinted in one to care for his own needs. Moreover, one should place the needs of the other before one’s own.

The second verse is “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.” This is the purpose one must have before his eyes while labouring for his friend. It means that one operates and strains only to be liked by the Creator, as it says, and they do His will.

“If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land,” for the poor shall cease to be, and every tortured and exploited shall no more be in the land; the joy of every person shall rise ever upward beyond measure and degree.

However, while you still refuse and wish not to come within the covenant of the work of the Creator in the fullest measure, as explained, then nature and its laws stand ready to take vengeance. It will not let go of us, as we have evidently shown, until it defeats us and we accept its rule in whatever it tells us.

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We can all see how such a great society as the state of Russia, with its hundreds of millions and a land exceeding that of the whole of Europe, with almost second to none possession of raw materials, has agreed to lead a communal life, and has effectively abolished private property. Each of them has no other concern but the well-being of society, and they have seemingly acquired the virtue of bestowal upon one’s fellow person in its fullest sense, as far as the human mind can reach.

However, go and see what has become of them: where they should have progressed and surpassed the capitalistic countries, they have declined ever downward. By now, they are incapable of benefiting the lives of the workers even a little more than those in the capitalistic countries. Moreover, they cannot even secure their daily bread and cover their flesh. Indeed, this is a perplexing truth, as judging by the wealth of this country and its multitude of people, one assumes it should not have come to that.


Every reasonable person realises, and realised back then how communism is a ridiculous, wrong and harmful idea. They did not go down because of the wickedness of human people, but the imorality and wickedness of the system.


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