To those of you that don't know what lucid dreaming is, think Neo in the Matrix, exept it doesn't just stop at flying, you litterally click your fingers (in you dream) and you can do anything.
It is not a theory, it is a fact Lucid dreaming happens, by accident , to some of us at one point or another, but there are some people who can do it ..at will!
Anyone who has done so knows what a blast it can be ;-).
So my question is this..
If you could live in a drug induced sleepstate for the rest of your life, with your family there to feed you introvenusly (sp?). while you Lucid dreamed the rest of your physical life away ..would you do it?
Bare in mind there are suicidal emotional wrecks who might take this approach (if it existed) and others who feel life is not giving them their due breaks.
But to live in a Lucid dream appeals to me, not that i wanna escape from anything in particular but the thought of anything anytime, anywhere, surely appeals to all mankind..even if its only real in your mind..
I'm an avid lucid dreamer, and my experience is that you can't just do anything you want. First off, there are varying degrees of lucidity, and secondly, the dreaming process has its own agenda you often have to work with (especially if you want to lengthen the lucidity time).
In any event: No, I would still wanna be able to awaken. I've done all the "parlor tricks" (eg, flying, phasing, superstrength), and have been taking on more intense tasks (eg, meditating while lucid dreaming, working toward OOBEs, if possible). But I would definitely not wanna have my body dependent on others in a reality I've forsaken.
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I have lucid dreams quite often but find that I'm still bound by the laws of physics while in them. Even though I am aware I am dreaming and aware that I can do as I wish, my brain still subconciously holds me to only what it physicly possible.
I did try to break the laws of physics one time in a lucid dream. It led to sleep paralysis.......which was by far the scariest thing I have ever experienced. Since that time, I have attempted it again knowing that it might result in sleep paralysis but I can't......my mind won't let me, subconsiously remembering the trauma caused last time.
If you're interested in a Matrix-like reality, look up the theories of Professor Don Hoffman. Professor of psychology at UCI- I was lucky enough to have one of his classes, his theory on our visual system and its interaction with reality is mind blowing.
He essentially proves, with scientific evidence, that what we see is different than what actually exists.
Anyways, with regards to lucid dreaming, does anyone know any good or useful techniques to enter lucid states more often? I've only ever had the opportunity once in my lifetime and it was extremely short. All I did was think, while dreaming, that it was strange that I was dreaming of watching people standing in a line...
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I would drop the concept of the Matrix movies for a more deep and philosophical work like Huxley's Brave New World. A far more intellectual work than the Matrix trilogy combine.
I don't know if this qualifies as a lucid dream. But here it goes....
...there been plenty of times in which I experiencing a dream that I can take full control. Meaning, if I desire an apple I think of an apple and eat it. If I want to fly or turn invisible, I desire it, and poof! it happens. This happens as I'm dreaming and I know I'm going to wake up. I'm not in between awake or sleep. I know, for a fact that I'm sleep. Once I awake I re-collect my thoughts and feel pretty good.
Would I desire to live in a state of a lucid dream for the rest of my life. No, thank you. I pass...sure it's fun...but reality is where I belong. If I need a vacation from reality...I day dream.
When the body is in deep REM sleep, the brain paralyzes the muscles so we don't act out our dreams. What you lucidly experienced, therefore, was quite normal (just not "normally" experienced).
May I suggest that next time you are lucid, don't try to break any laws of physics. Just be aware that you are dreaming while breathing deeply and relaxfully. Breathing and relaxing seem to hold a lot of power.
Repetition of a "command" before bed (eg, "Tonight I will lucid dream"), doing this night after night; reminding yourself during the day to be conscious of what you're doing, where you are. But mostly, I've found the "spontaneity" or "sincerity" of the command matters more than the repeating. Ie, the more heartfelt, the better.
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i cant seem to be able to lucid dream, or dream in the traditional sense. usually im half awake and severely hallucinating at night with an oppressiv and suffocating fealing. i have had one or two lucid dreams and they were pretty nice. i wud like to have more, but not LIVE in one, im more of a red pill kinda guy.
I has been some time since I last had a lucid dream. I don't have many of them I wish I had it is nice. And my lucid dreams are very unstable, many times they last only a few seconds from the time I become lucid.
I make a lot of effort to not awake up.
There was only one time I could experience a lucid dream long enough.
I think you must try to be completely indiferent when you become lucid like if nothing happened without being too happy because you are lucid dreaming.
There is something interesting in lucid dreams, all your worries, fears, frustrations vanish away when you are lucid since you unsderstand that there are no limitations, it is just a dream. So all problems vanish away in that dream and there comes a sensation of happiness. Maybe there is a state of consciousness like that of lucid dreaming in real life where you could free yourself from all problems understanding the irreality of them in someway.
In fact I think that is what some drugs do, they induce a state of consciousness that makes you free of all problem leading to a state of happiness. Maybe there is a way to learn to do that in real life by yourself. There are times when you have sudden moments of inspiration that makes you free for all problems for a short time. It would be interesting to know a way to train yourself to induce that kind of perception naturally like even making it permanent.
I thinking about this because in a lucid dream every thing changes completely and all of a sudden when you become aware. Thats a very real sensation, who had a lucid dream knows it. Some sort of perception like that in real life would be great. Obviosly I am not talking about breaking physical laws, I am talking about worries, problems and limitations we believe we have.
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I have lucid dreams, not in awhile lately though. Lucid dreams give you a real sense of power. They're great. I also experienced sleep paralysis, which like was mentioned earlier, was the most horrifying thing I had ever experienced.
I wouldn't want to be stuck in a state of a lucid dream for the rest of my human life. I'd rather move on. Better things out there than what is offered in this life in your bed lucid dreaming, imo, whether it is another life, or another kind of existence...
BTW, I just love lucid dreaming!
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It is VERY scary waking in while you're dreaming...especially when you are having a nightmare. I experienced "night terrors" longer than most (longer than anyone I've run into), so I know what its like to "wake up"(I was still dreaming while fully awake...hard to explain but that is what a night terror is.) and genuinely NOT know who you are but have strong but unreachable memories that you ARE supposed to know...that was freaky.
I seem to be bound by certain rules in my dreams no matter how lucid. There are some things that I try to imagine in my dreams but they simply won't "imagine" and it pisses me off in my dreams. Even in my dream I think to myself that I KNOW I could do this with my conscious thought.
One of the coolest things EVER when I'm dreaming is solving really hard math problems. This one time, I was utterly stumped on a proof I was doing in Calculus: it was a pretty damn hard problem. I went to bed, stumped on trying to solve it. Later that night, I literally worked the entire damn thing out in my dream...pages of work and all. Whatever I wrote on the paper in my dream, it stayed there and I was literally writing the problem out in my dream and solving it. As soon as I solved the problem, I woke up. It freaked me out because my REAL memory is far from that good. I then wrote out the problem as I solved it in my dream (because I finally had the "answer" and I remembered most of what I did.) real quick and went back to sleep. The next day, EVERYONE had questions about that problem because no one could solve it. The professor couldn't either. (Even though he had how it was solved in his materials..just in a very incomplete and crappy form). I drew up what I did for everyone on the board. I am by far not the only person to do this in a dream. I've prolly heard a dozen stories about solving a complicated math problem during sleep. I've had a "solve the math problem" dream plenty of times for my physics classes but none were as ridiculously difficult as the proof one that my dream solved.
This makes me wonder....
Is there a way to "turn on" that math solving power so it can be used by conscious thought? It most certainly would be nice!
Lucid dreaming is like first-stage meditation in that it is a raised level of consciousness. It isn't much (at first), and it doesn't last (because "ordinary" consciousness has a lot of mental inertia), but even at low levels it begins to integrate otherwise closed-off or separated functions. This is why you were able to do those math problems (it's also why you experienced frightful moments): in lucid dreaming you are "thinking" with your whole body, not just your brain. That's the upside. The downside (so to speak) is that because your whole body is involved (this is sometimes called centauric functioning), the ego doesn't have completely free reign. As with any partnership, mind and body have to work together, which means at times one conceding to the other when necessary.
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you feel awake but you can't move...I actually heard someone screaming in my dream, but I felt I was awake so I thought it was real, it was horrible lying there being able to do nothing at all
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