Is Death Really So Bad?

Is it? There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt. So technically, death is painless, or at least the moment of death.
In this sense, does that mean that murder isnt really a crime, at least not to the "victim"? The real victims are those who feel pain, are they not?

Your views?

Unless you can prove the person would rather have been dead than alive it's still a crime.

Yes, but if death is a complete neutral, with no pain and no joy, it can easily be proved if one suffered more in life than celebrated, they would be better off dead, and almost all humans suffer more in life.

Well IMHO a death with no afterlife is the worst fate possible...

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Yes, but if death is a complete neutral, with no pain and no joy, it can easily be proved if one suffered more in life than celebrated, they would be better off dead, and almost all humans suffer more in life.

Yes, but most people prefer life in spite of it's ups and down. Death has no ups at all, the lack of downs is meaningless since the inability to have any good experiences the almost worst possible fate possible. People who survive suicide attempts consistently tell researchers that they regretted it the moment they jumped or whatever. Killing is still a crime with a victim. That doesn't mean that someone's passing cannot be an occasion for celebration (which it is in some culture, though only Klingons come to mind at the moment) but that celebration is of the person's life not of "lucky him, being brutally murdered and all".

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Yes, but if death is a complete neutral, with no pain and no joy, it can easily be proved if one suffered more in life than celebrated, they would be better off dead, and almost all humans suffer more in life.

That's not the point, though. Someone might be "better off" dead, but that doesn't mean they would want to be dead, and that also invovles all of the people who knew the person who died... so yeah, even if you're doing that person a favor by killing, you're also causing a whole lot of grief to friends, kids, spouses, relatives etc.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Yes, but if death is a complete neutral, with no pain and no joy, it can easily be proved if one suffered more in life than celebrated, they would be better off dead, and almost all humans suffer more in life.

There's no pain, but there's no pleasure either. It's absolute zero on a hyperthetical scale.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Is it? There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt. So technically, death is painless, or at least the moment of death.
In this sense, does that mean that murder isnt really a crime, at least not to the "victim"? The real victims are those who feel pain, are they not?

Your views?

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Is it? There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt. So technically, death is painless, or at least the moment of death.
In this sense, does that mean that murder isnt really a crime, at least not to the "victim"? The real victims are those who feel pain, are they not?

Your views?

Murder is a crime through and through. Claiming that you're "liberating" someone who didn't want to die is sick. And the fact that the survivors are the ones who feel the pain is bad enough in itself.

If its murder then the death was clearly involuntary. Meaning yes, it is that bad. Should that really be up to you, to decide when another person dies?

"The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive."

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Is it? There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt. So technically, death is painless, or at least the moment of death.
In this sense, does that mean that murder isnt really a crime, at least not to the "victim"? The real victims are those who feel pain, are they not?

Your views?

Where did you find out what happens after death...,do you have a link?

Death to me is only painful, if I hadn't accomplish enough to fullfill life. We only have one life to live; best to make the most of it. Living a life without being loved is also painful after you die. We can't live in a world without family and friends.

Its mostly the emotional stuff that scares me. The pain in death is of course a big thing as well. We fear what we can't explain.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt.

Death could be the best thing that could happen to anyone, or it could be the worst. Its not knowing which makes death scary and uncomprahensable.

You don't know wheather there is anything after or not. You can believe that there is nothing, and that is fine, but its certainly not the fact, which by the tone of your post, appears you're enforcing it as such.

omfg

so this is the same logic as "sex is good, so rape can't be bad"

which is to say, the thread starter has no idea why things are considered a crime, or even morally bad.

Death itself imo is good, but acts that lead to it may be bad especialy murder, and more so murder of someone who didnt want to be so.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Is it? There is nothing after death. It is the end. Once you die, there will be no suffering, which is what causes emotional pain, and no nerves going off telling your brain that you are hurt. So technically, death is painless, or at least the moment of death.
In this sense, does that mean that murder isnt really a crime, at least not to the "victim"? The real victims are those who feel pain, are they not?

Your views?

Your partly right. People view death as bad mostly because of genetic bias which forces us to feel that way. Looking at death from an unbiased point of view, many people would be better off that way. There is still the crime that by taking somones life you rob them of any positive experiences they may of had, and of course no one should have the right to decide whether somone else dies anyway. It is a decision that the individual must make.

Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around who tranform into the force.

Death is unavoidable, but there are many fates worse than death IMO. That's why I have a living will.