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allofyousuckkk
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Who can say, without a doubt, that I am not a dream?

We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

and in turn,

that all our dreams aren't a reality, somewhere.

or if I were a dream right now, would I be considered reality?

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There's also the idea that we are 7 dimensional beings, being projected by a "source" onto a 4 dimensional existence...just the same as we cast shadows...so does this other "source" and we are the effect of this "source" casting a shadow through four dimensions from this 7 dimensional "source".

Weird, I know. It's possible.

It's like The Matrix, on steroids.

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Yeah, some people use drugs.

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and how

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You might very well be a dream. Which leads to my philosophy of enjoying life. No need to worry about anything. Why you ask? Because either it's not real and just an illusion....or it's real and you're going to die. Enjoy it while you can.

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Re: Who can say, without a doubt, that I am not a dream?

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We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

and in turn,

that all our dreams aren't a reality, somewhere.

or if I were a dream right now, would I be considered reality?

Because when you are in a dream, if you say am I in a dream, you know you are in a dream.

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Because when you are in a dream, if you say am I in a dream, you know you are in a dream.

Sometimes.

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Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

"Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream..."
With regard to religion/mysticism, the Dream metaphor is thousands of years old, though I don't think anyone's ever called God comatose before...yet that would explain a lot. You may've hit on something there. wink

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and in turn,

that all our dreams aren't a reality, somewhere.

Modern empirical science would define that "somewhere" as your brain.

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or if I were a dream right now, would I be considered reality?

I find the common distinction of "dreams" on the one hand and "reality" on the other misleading. Dreams are real, just not the same kind of reality as what you experience when awake. Next time you're dreaming, pay attention. Note colors, shadows, movement; listen to when someone is speaking to you; note how something feels if you grasp an object and lift it.

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I had a dream that felt more real then my real life. I don't do drugs and I'm not trying to promote some religion or philosophy by saying this....but there is really no way of knowing whether you are in a dream.

So for example, Shaky said that "when you are in a dream, if you say am I in a dream, you know you are in a dream." I would like to add that if you say you are in real life, then you know you are in real life. You can make yourself believe you are truly living or that you are dreaming, and it calls into question what dreaming and living are anyway. Is there even a difference?

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Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

and in turn,

that all our dreams aren't a reality, somewhere.

or if I were a dream right now, would I be considered reality?

Where do you draw the line between dream and reality?

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Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
We dream some really weird things, but how do I know that my life isn't one giant dream, thought up by a comatose patient?

and in turn,

that all our dreams aren't a reality, somewhere.

or if I were a dream right now, would I be considered reality?

I ask my mum shit like this to freak her out, always funny.

If I was a dream it would be better for me.

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Because when you are in a dream, if you say am I in a dream, you know you are in a dream.

sudo tell is this a dream?

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because when you are in a dream, if you say am I in a dream, you know you are in a dream.

Not always, I said that in a dream once, felt so real, woke up thought it happened. I had to double check it was real.

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Not always, I said that in a dream once, felt so real, woke up thought it happened. I had to double check it was real.

Beware the False Awakening. confused

http://psychology.suite101.com/arti...alse_awakenings

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There's a guy in Sandman who get's cursed to keep having false awakenings every few seconds for the rest of his life.

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There's a guy in Sandman who get's cursed to keep having false awakenings every few seconds for the rest of his life.

You mean Morpheus? I never read Sandman, but I just googled it to get an idea...and gave myself a V8 slap for missing out.

In any event, it begs the question: if you suspect you're dreaming, but can't wake up, how do you know if you are dreaming?

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No. Morpheus is the guy that does the cursing. Morpheus is the name of "Dream of the Endless", which is the Sandman (i.e Master of Dreams) the title refers to. He curses a guy who imprisioned him for years with having constant nightmares he awakes of just to find that he is in another nightmare. Had it kinda coming though. Good comic either way, should check it out.

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You mean Morpheus? I never read Sandman, but I just googled it to get an idea...and gave myself a V8 slap for missing out.

Well Morpheus was the one doing the cursing. It's a pretty awful punishment.

Probably my favorite take on dream vs reality is probably an episode of Stargate SG-1 where Teal'c keeps switching between a hallucination (complete with all the classic cliches) and what the viewer knows is reality. In the end he finds out that both worlds are hallucinations, though one does happen to be based more in reality.

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In any event, it begs the question: if you suspect you're dreaming, but can't wake up, how do you know if you are dreaming?

I usually have a sense of immobility when I'm dreaming but that's not really sufficient except that it produces the feeling of "this isn't real" that makes anything that happens disturbing no matter what the content might be.

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Well Morpheus was the one doing the cursing. It's a pretty awful punishment.

Probably my favorite take on dream vs reality is probably an episode of Stargate SG-1 where Teal'c keeps switching between a hallucination (complete with all the classic cliches) and what the viewer knows is reality. In the end he finds out that both worlds are hallucinations, though one does happen to be based more in reality.

I usually have a sense of immobility when I'm dreaming but that's not really sufficient except that it produces the feeling of "this isn't real" that makes anything that happens disturbing no matter what the content might be.

The feeling that something isn't right.

I don't have any particular triggers, but generally, the more lucid I am, the better I can reference the waking world. But this isn't sufficient either, because everything about me is still in the dream, everything I do, think and remember. The only test, really, is to wake up.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
There's also the idea that we are 7 dimensional beings, being projected by a "source" onto a 4 dimensional existence...just the same as we cast shadows...so does this other "source" and we are the effect of this "source" casting a shadow through four dimensions from this 7 dimensional "source".

Weird, I know. It's possible.

It's like The Matrix, on steroids.

Damn dude.

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