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Can we survive Global Capitalism?

Can we survive Global Capitalism?

There are negative feedback control systems such as a furnace/thermostat or our own bodies. There are positive feedback control systems such as an ordinary fire or our capitalistic economic system.

In a fire the higher the temperature the faster the fuel is burned; the faster the fuel burns the higher goes the temperature. In a business enterprise it is common practice to put a percentage of profit into advertising. More advertising creates greater sales, which mean higher profit.

A negative feedback system seeks out equilibrium; a positive feedback system has no equilibrium and is ever accelerating.

If we have a positive feedback system, such as capitalism being now abetted by Globalism, we face the horrendous situation that the greater the progress the faster the spiral of destruction when considering that the world and humans are negative feedback systems.

If we choose to continue with our present global/capitalistic program we must find a way to dampen the positive feedback system.

Biologists, and probably other sciences, inform us that human conceit, i.e. human ego, distorts our ability to comprehend our self. Egocentricities motivate us into irrational behavior thereby imperiling our survival; the human animal is arrogant and dangerous. Mark Twain was told that “man is the noblest work of God” to which he replied “Now, who found that out?”

Bernard James, author of “The Death of Progress” argues that perhaps a new moral order might be the solution to acquiring the means to avoid self-extinction. He argues that creation is a function of life. It is inventive acts that govern the evolution and survival requirements of human and ecosystems.

I suggest that we must find a new formula for the encouragement of creativity directed at this monumental problem. This is a problem that demands quick action and it seems to me that we cannot wait several generations for this to be accomplished. Today’s adults must recognize the problem and must energetically seek a solution. I think that an invigorated self-actualization through self-learning by adults is required. I am not talking about more schooling. Schooling has left us learning-handicapped already. This effort must be self-learning. Adults must begin a concentrated effort toward developing an intellectual life far beyond that which now exists.

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Global capitalism will be disasterous in the long run. There will be no middle class, only rich and poor.There will also be accerelated depletion of the earth's already strained resources. We need national governments to regulate cspitalism.


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We probably can, but I doubt that capitalism will survive it. The problem with increasing capitalism will be in the short run rather than the long run. If we establish a purely capitalist world the danger will be in how it reorders itself of the course of a decade or so, that will set the tone for everything else.

If anyone gains a too much power in the process it will falter and collapse. If anyone gains lots of power in the process nothing will change from what we have now (except that those in power will have an extra way to justify themselves). If power and wealth are spread with general equality things will go well, though personally I believe it will collapse eventually as the distribution shifts more and more towards those who are already rich.



On this: "Schooling has left us learning-handicapped already. This effort must be self-learning."

I don't believe anyone who needs to be pushed towards self education will ever really do it. Schooling is beneficial but could (like most things) use updating to more modern methods and knowledge. Also that statement is based on a very limited view of schooling, many honors classes push students toward independent thought and self-education.


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I dont think there will be global capitalism so I would not worry

Even if one group of people controls the whole world they will set up puppet goverments so that they do not seem the same and some of those goverments will not be capitalist

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. Generally speaking tomorrow's GDP must be greater than yesterday's GDP or the system dies. When GDP goes up the rate of planet consumption goes up; the stored resources of the planet then go down.


The logic of global capitalism leads to the consumption of the planet.

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That's hardly a requirement for capitalism, even if it is a likely course.


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Re: Can we survive Global Capitalism?

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Biologists, and probably other sciences, inform us that human conceit, i.e. human ego, distorts our ability to comprehend our self.


psychologists

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Global capitalism will be disasterous in the long run. There will be no middle class, only rich and poor.


Elaborate on your view, please. I'm interested. Still, I can not help but think, that you have a distorted view regarding open markets. Honestly, no pun intended. Help me understand your position.

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There will also be accerelated depletion of the earth's already strained resources. We need national governments to regulate capitalism.


This is true - at least the first half of your statement, in my opinion. World resources are in fact depleting, but this is largely due to - first! - a growing world population. The supply of food sources and oil, simply can not meet demand. The world is not a utopia, and it never will be. Second, government regulation is not the answer, in my opinion. Governments by nature suppress people. Governments do not liberate; governments only serve it's own needs to gain/acquire more power.

Have you ever attended a college level History 101 course? Honestly, I am just asking.

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It’s really hard to put any none perfect system in place for very long likes anything else a pure Capitalist system will collapse eventually.
Capitalism will lead to rich getting richer, poor getting poorer which won’t be sustainable in the long run.

The middle class is really important to keep society stable at least it gives people hope that there can is something better and they can attain it. If there is a government that is elected a system will never get to that extreme. <Where there is only rich and poor people>


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psychologists

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Not a science.


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Not a science.


Depends on the specific sub-field. Psychoanalysis isn't really a science but behaviorism sure is.


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We survived much worse.

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Depends on the specific sub-field. Psychoanalysis isn't really a science but behaviorism sure is.


all things considered, in modern psychology, it might be the opposite. Psychoanalysis, while not something I really am a fan of, refers to a thereputic approach by clinical psychologists that has several peer-reviewed journals and some strengths. I still think cognitive approaches to treatment are better than psychoanalytical, but they are, at least, reviewed and reformed in the same way any science is, though all psychologists would admit that treatment is inherently less "purely scientific" than research psychology is.

Behaviorism, however, in a modern sense is scientifically bankrupt. While it did have rigorous methods of expreimentation at the time, the fact that it ignored internal cognitive processes in their influence of behaviour means that anyone who ascribed to behaviourism today would be appealing to ideas long shown to be incorrect, and certainly not supported by modern evidence. There are sorts of "neo-behaviourist" ideas that emphasize bottom-up and pre-conscious influences on behaviour, but they aren't the same as Behaviorism proper, in the Skinnerian sense


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I still think cognitive approaches to treatment are better than psychoanalytical...
yes

...though sometimes psychoanalysis does score more points because it jives with a particular patient's expectations.

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Not a science.
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Of course we can. Already things are in motion for a worldwide revolution, or at least a revolution in Europe.

Revolution or not, people are becoming more awake to the flaws in the systems. I don't think this system will last much longer to be honest, the people are taking notice.


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It is simply not normal for world richest 1% to own almost 40% of wealth on this planet, while 50% of world adults own 1% of all wealth, according to UN statistics.
It is unstable and it will collapse...

EDIT: The report found the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total of global assets.
Jesus...


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It is simply not normal


in what time period do you suppose there was a more equitable distribution?


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There wasn't. If there was, it was on tribal levels. Just because it has never happened, does not mean it is impossible. We are still very savage and uncivilized.


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Free Market Capitalism is as destructive to a society as communism-But Faster!


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It is simply not normal for world richest 1% to own almost 40% of wealth on this planet, while 50% of world adults own 1% of all wealth, according to UN statistics.
It is unstable and it will collapse...

EDIT: The report found the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total of global assets.
Jesus...


What do you understand under "normal".

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Free Market Capitalism is as destructive to a society as communism-But Faster!


What examples of destructive free market capitalism are you thinking of?


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