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oman32
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Miffed karma

1, Do you belive in it

2, what dose it mean to you


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Simply put no.

Karma has the concept of a larger being determining the consequences of our actions, or at least the idea of some sort of imbued system for maintaining a balance, built into it. And this presumes the idea of a God, which is something that I believe to be metaphysically false, due to multiple logical contradictions.


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Nope.

It would mean that life is fundamentally fair in a measurable way. This seems untrue.


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There may not be a physical effect we could identify as Karma, but I would definitely say that it is a fair model of interpersonal interaction. If you are nice to people they are more likely to be nice to you. Also: Jerx beget jerx.


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But then the question that comes to mind is , cant your brain create situtions in with thing happen to you because of someting you have done without consideration (cause and effect) where the out come is something you cannot control


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Yes, I do believe in Karma. Here is a thread that I stated. It has information taken from The Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism. The problem with most people who say they do not believe in Karma, is that they do not know what Karma is.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...threadid=447678


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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nope.

It would mean that life is fundamentally fair in a measurable way. This seems untrue.


Karma has nothing to do with fairness.


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Simply put no.

Karma has the concept of a larger being determining the consequences of our actions, or at least the idea of some sort of imbued system for maintaining a balance, built into it. And this presumes the idea of a God, which is something that I believe to be metaphysically false, due to multiple logical contradictions.


Karma has nothing to do with a "larger being determining the consequences of our actions".


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, I do believe in Karma. Here is a thread that I stated. It has information taken from The Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism. The problem with most people who say they do not believe in Karma, is that they do not know what Karma is.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...threadid=447678


That's a terribly unhelpful explanation.


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That's a terribly unhelpful explanation.


Karma to me is like Gravity. It just is.


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Re: karma

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Originally posted by oman32
1, Do you belive in it


no

quote: (post)
Originally posted by oman32
2, what dose it mean to you


depends on who uses it

Karma is used in Indian villages to both justify their terrible conditions and prevent people from disrupting the status quo. In this case, to me, it is oppressive.

Its like any other belief, really, and most people don't act in accordance with what they believe anyways.


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I can't bear the thought of there actually being a cosmic sense of right and wrong.


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i think there is ... think of it as evolution .. not right and wrong but learning from mistakes


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, I do believe in Karma. Here is a thread that I stated. It has information taken from The Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism. The problem with most people who say they do not believe in Karma, is that they do not know what Karma is.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...threadid=447678



not to sound mean but that dosent help at all


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i'll put it like this.A couple weeks ago I gave my mom some money w/o telling her,she was near broke,and secretly paid for items she was goin to by.That same day nothing bad happened to me

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Originally posted by oman32
not to sound mean but that dosent help at all


I'm not here to help, but tell me what I can do to help.

The first thing is that most people think Karma is something that it isn't.



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Karma

Potentials in the inner, unconscious realm of life created through one's actions in the past or present that manifest themselves as various results in the present or future.


At the time of the big bang, the universe was a very small point of energy, but this energy was not uniform. That non uniformity lead to galaxies strewn throughout the dark matter web of the universe. This non uniformity was a type of Karma that was not yet manifest. Now we look out and we see this manifestation of the Karma of the early universe.

Does that help?


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i'll put it like this.A couple weeks ago I gave my mom some money w/o telling her,she was near broke,and secretly paid for items she was goin to by.That same day nothing bad happened to me


Karma is not a reward or punishment thing.


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm not here to help, but tell me what I can do to help.

The first thing is that most people think Karma is something that it isn't.

At the time of the big bang, the universe was a very small point of energy, but this energy was not uniform. That non uniformity lead to galaxies strewn throughout the dark matter web of the universe. This non uniformity was a type of Karma that was not yet manifest. Now we look out and we see this manifestation of the Karma of the early universe.

Does that help?


Karma is not a reward or punishment thing.


Your argument regarding the Big Bang is completely unconvincing because you have absolutely no proof beyond your belief, regarding any nature of this "energy" or "dark matter web"


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Your argument regarding the Big Bang is completely unconvincing because you have absolutely no proof beyond your belief, regarding any nature of this "energy" or "dark matter web"


So, the only problem you have with my post is the use of the words big bang, energy and dark matter web? laughing

I wasn't talking about the big bang, energy and dark matter web. I was using science to show how Karma can be applied. Many people think Karma is something supernatural, but it is not.


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It seemed like you were using the quasi scientific explanation as the focal point on which Karma is based, and I objected to that.

However by your quoted definition you describe Karma as "potentials" what exactly do you mean by that?


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Originally posted by Tptmanno1
It seemed like you were using the quasi scientific explanation as the focal point on which Karma is based, and I objected to that.

However by your quoted definition you describe Karma as "potentials" what exactly do you mean by that?


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... one's thought, speech, and behavior, both good and bad, imprint themselves as a latent force or potential in one's life. This latent force, or karma, when activated by an external stimulus, produces a corresponding good or bad effect, i.e., happiness or suffering. There are also neutral acts that produce neither good nor bad results.


A person does an act of kindness. That action has a latent effect on the self image of this person. If no other cause changes this effect, the Karma created by this action will manifest its self as an action. For example they may be kind to another person.


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So Karma is just cause and effect?


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