Materialists & Atheists cannot explain how a sensation of pain can evolve!
Just think the most basic requirement of the most primitive life form – a desire to live and survive must be the desire to avoid pain. Yet it cannot evolve via natural selection.
Do you believe in natural selection? So do I ...... but you have to concede it cannot explain how the mind evolves, only physical bodies. Unless consciousness is more fundamental than material stuff, natural selection doesn't work for minds.
Are you an atheist? If by that you mean religious theism ... well so am I ... but you have to honestly admit atheists have no explanation on how the mind evolves, only physical bodies.
Last edited by Parapsychology on May 24th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Um, that's exactly it; your body needs to know what pain is, or else it will be unable to avoid it. If you lacked the ability to feel extreme heat, you might set your hand on a hot object and be badly burnt... seems obvious.
pain is not conscious. that's like saying breathing is a "conscious" action, just because you can tell it is happening. when actually, it is regulated by the brain-stem and has nothing to do with the conscious mind.
Do you really not see how something that kills itself through burning, is not evolutionarily favorable? The ability to avoid damage is necessary to pass genes on.
interesting you would hand wave away such a fundamentally important question.
If consciousness is an emergent biproduct of the complex firing of our brains, then there is no problem of something non-sentient becoming sentient, because sentience is an anthropic line that represents the complexity of our neuronal sophistication, not something different in kind from so called "non-sentient" creatures.
So, for there to be this thing called "consciousness" to become aware of pain, or the problem with the conscious perception of pain, you have to prove there is some thing that fundamentally is consciousness. If you can't tell us what consciousness is, how can we ever tell you how pain becomes conscious? there is no goal-post to meet.
You have faith there is 'no problem' .... neurscientist call consciousness the 'hard problem'
How do you know? The argument here seems to be here that it magically pops out of greatly evolved blind complexity. That is a belief, not an explanation of how.
How do you programme a computer to feel a pain? No one has the slightest idea.
I feel pain .... if you are claiming you do not feel pain ... I do not believe you
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