Though, I would pick Lucifer (so that also necessary mean Michael) above LT. This tree beign are literally the most pwoerful beigns in Comic universe ever, with exception of God.
LT judgemetn wouldn't affect on Lucifer, since Lucifer and Micheal are first son of God and LT is limited with this almighty judgesagainst Lucifer, you cannot judge God firs son.
and The Spectre is equal to LT, one time Lucifer was moving the moon and Spectre showed up asking him why he was moving it and Lucifer told him to go away and Spectre hung his head down and left without saying anything back to him....... lol, so Lucifer wins ez.
No basically at the time of the crosovers, Living Tribunal was at the spectre's power level, however it was only after that that LT was given the kind of powers he has now, hes wayyyyy above the spectre now. however, best LT can do is destroy 1 universe at 1 time, however lucifer has 50% of the power needed to actually create his own multiverse, which makes lucifer the winner.
Wasn't The Infinity Saga before DC vs Marvel? LT was always at that level, more powerful than Spectre. Just cause they we're paired together does not mean their equals. Ex: Lobo Vs. Wolverine, Flash Vs. Quick Silver, Aquaman Vs. Namor, Superman Vs. Hulk, DARKSEID VS. THANOS - and we all know that Darkseid ain't no Thanos...level.
I guess someone forgot to send a memo to Fenris about 1] taking control of Lucifer and 2] killing GOD's other son Michael.
How does that bare anything? God creates angels and men. Angel's servant of God, and men have free will. Yet Angels > men.
Just 'cause Lucifer has free will doesn't make him more powerful than LT. And since Lucifer doesn't work for God, and LT does - guess why God would favor? When you get down to it, both are creations of God. So why would a servant of God not be more powerful than a free willed creation? And no, free will does not equal power. I have no doubt that Presence could've killed Lucifer or force Lucifer to be his servant if he wanted.
I guess someone has forgot to mention that *BOTH* Lucifer and Michael were royally ****ed up by the creation shattering force released by the Fenris wolf BEFORE Lucifer was possessed by him and killed Michael.
As I remember, Fenris was only able to control Lucifer, because he has prepared for it for ages AND Lucifer was already very weakened prior to the confrontation because of the poison cherub that had him reeling.
Ok, lets say that the Presence and TOAA are really one for arguments sake(because obviously, I dont agree with them being one).
Now, to the business at hand. I disagree with the notion of God's servants being more powerful than the "free willed creations", because, first of all, Lucifer is not just a free willed creation. He, along with Mikey, are the most powerful beings next to God, which means that God specifically created them as next to him in power WHATEVER happens to the three of them. I mean you didnt see the Angels(serving God) became more powerful than Lucifer when he stop serving God, do you?
Now this battle is a good one, and if we actually stop basing our aguments on their status as blah, blah, blah for God, and actually start basing on the things that theyve ACCOMPLISHED, then this battle wouldnt be more confusing. And as for me, Ill give this to Lucifer, because he has atleast shown his powers to be above the multiverse level(eg. the demiurgic explosion). I have yet to see LT accomplish a feat like that. But then again, Im not a keen follower of LT, so LT fans are welcome to point me out on a feat he accomplished that can rival Lucifer's, and will discuss about it.
Basically, for me, I think that TOAA and The Presence have nothing in relation to each other, save for them being the all knowing, all powerful creators of their respective multiverses, thats it. Ill just post here what I posted before on another thread as to why I dont think theyre one.
Now ofcourse, this is only my own humble opinion. Im not trying to force somebody to believe in what I believe in. Thats just the way I see it. Now if anybody disagrees, thats cool with me. If anybody wants to refute my statement, then state you reasons and Ill gladly discuss it with you.
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Apr 6th, 2005 02:03 AM
I guess someone forgot to send a memo to Fenris about 1] taking control of Lucifer and 2] killing GOD's other son Michael. 
