The Justice league vs The Avengers : You rate the JLA
Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory. You tell me what you feel the JLA's power rating's should be if your going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale.
You rate the JLA, By useing Marvels power scale.
Batman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Superman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Green Lantern, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Wonder Woman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Martian Manhunter, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Flash, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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Aquaman's, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........?
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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What the ratings mean for each catagory.
Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat
Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory.
Going by Marvel power scale, here are the official power rateings of the Avengers.
Cap.America, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............3
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........7
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Thor, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........2
Strength ...............7
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...6
Fighting Skill ..........4
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Quasar, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............2
Speed ..................7
Durability ..............3
Energy Projection ...5
Fighting Skill ..........3
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She Hulk, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........3
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................2
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Vision, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............4
Speed ..................3
Durability ..............5
Energy Projection ...4
Fighting Skill ..........3
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Wonder Man, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........4
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................4
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...1
Fighting Skill ..........2
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Iron Man, power rating are:
Intelligence ...........6
Strength ...............6
Speed ..................5
Durability ..............6
Energy Projection ...6
Fighting Skill ..........3
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What the ratings mean for each catagory.
Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat
Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and WonderW. I think they should be 6
So wait a moment, Abomination who has never performed a feat in his life, except get beaten up by the Hulk, should be higher than two characters who have helped pull the earth ????????
Don't make me list Wonder Woman's feats, she is above Thor IMO.
Even according to the crossover she was gaining the advantage against Herc, who is also listed as a level 7, and bests stated that she always won the arm wrestling fights against Wonderman, who is a High level 6! The M.M can amp his strength to Superman levels for extended periods of time there fore is at least a level 7!!!!!!!!!!
Also it never says 'Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system '
Last edited by R.O.T. Yahman on Jan 15th, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Actually the funniest thing is rating the premier DC characters based on the MArvel system. The thing is (I've said it before and I'll say it again), that DC characters are simply not on the same rating scale as Marvel Characters.
In terms of strength the only character that comes near Superman/WonderWoman/MartianManhunter levels is the Hulk, and that is in the older writings where he is lifting a 150 billion ton mountain and such stuff (and even then one has to consider that the CURRENT versions of Supes, MM, and WW can mover 24.7 quintillion tons each).
Oh, and it is interesting that GS (who I respect BTW ....just saying) stated that he (I believe it is a he) thinks that WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter should be rated as a 6 in strength.
As a SIX.
What is crazy about that is that Iron Man is rated as .....yep, you got it .....a SIX.
Thus we are to take the strength levels of Iron Man and WW/MM as the same?
Come on!
The Marvel power system will simply not work for most DC characters, and the DC pwoer system (IF they had one) wouldn't work for most MArvel characters (apart from select ones like Silver Surfer, the Hulk .....when he is TRULY mad, and Quasar).
And what is the problem with the Marvel ratings.
Ok, let's say we accept GS's argument that WonderWoman and the MArtian Manhunter are at level 6 ....the same level as Iron Man .....meaning they can lift between 75-100 tons.
Ok, as I said on another thread, the weight of a US Army M1A2 Abrams SEP (SEP stands for system enhancement program) Main Battle Tank (MBT) is 69.5 tons.
69.5 tons.
Thus, a character with a rating of 6 could only lift ONE Abrams MBT! One of them.
WonderWoman regularly lifts objects that weight in the hundreds of thousands of tons (eg oil tankers), and then there is that moon thing.
But let us forget all of that for now ......and let us look at the Avengers.
You said the following above:
"Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover ........"
Ok, I will use the JLA/Avengers crossover to make my points. Thus I will forget, for now, WonderWoman moving 24.7 quintillion tons and just stick to that one crossover.
1) In the JLA/Avengers crossover (whether cannon or not) it shows who was facing up against Iron Man.
It was Aquaman.
If MM and WW are around Iron Man level strength, then why in goodness name was Aquaman even messing around with Tony?
Here is a scan: http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?...engers213gx.jpg
2) In that Crossover WonderWoman was trapped in a light construct by Quasar. Totally surrounded in a bubble.
Well, WonderWoman shatters the Q-field like it was a joke.
Here is a scan: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?...nstructs7tx.jpg
Anyways, that is based on the JLA vs Avenger comic that you were stating. Based on that comic, and without even looking at anything else Diana has ever done, shows that she is NOT at a 6.
After all she is punking a 7 according to Marvel's stats.
The thing I like about that particular comic is that it shows just how different the stats are between Marvel and DC. This is where Superman tells a shocked Thor the following (middle of the scan):
Now, if you want to see the closest DC comes to 'ratings' then the following will have to suffice.
Compare the ratings for WonderWoman with those for Superman.
Excellent Post .... It not only shows the distance between marvel and D.C.! it shows that G.S.'s original statement;
'Going by the the JLA/Avengers crossover and considering we're rating these characters wiv a Marvel ratings system i disagree wiv your strength ratings for MM and Wonder. I think they should be 6'
is total bull crap.
The crossover made it very clear that both wonder Woman and M.M, are above Marvels traditional Level 6 characters. Aqua man was shown (on several occasions) to be on their level, and we know that W.W. and M.M are far stronger than Aqua man.
There is one point i do want to clarify, .... I disagree with the notion that Level 6 characters are unable to lift 100 tons. Recent H.B.'s have depicted characters as Level 6, and made reference to them lifting WELL over 100 tons. Take for example Ultimate Colossus recent bio. It notes him at level 6, and states him as being able to lift thousands of tons. Namor is regularly seen lifting thousands of tons, and yet he has always been depicted at level 6 or class 85. Characters such as the Thing and Wonder man have also demonstrated (on several occasions) the ability to lift WELL over 100 tons.
IMO Level 6 means that the character has shown limits to their strength, where as level 7 characters can be as strong as the story needs them to be, hence the lack of consistency.
Hulk, Thor and Immortal Hercules has all shown strength levels in coherence with their stories (i.e the lifting of the Midgard Serpent and the 150 Billion ton mountain.) As you have already noted this was an attribute of older comics, therefore characters rarely ever demonstrate such enormous strength nowadays.
Last edited by R.O.T. Yahman on Jan 15th, 2006 at 02:58 PM
Didn't look at anyone else's because I didn't want to be influenced.... I gave everyone at least a 3 in Fighting Skill, because if nothing else I figure Batman would have shown them a few moves....
Intelligence: 2
Strength: Varies, Max 6
Speed: Varies, Max 3
Durability: 4 (he could always turn into a worm and grow stuff back...)
Energy: 1 (unless there's an animal that shoots ray beams...)
Fighting Skills: 3
How does GL not get a 7 in speed? They can warp space. Kyle flew from Earth to the Source Wall in a few panels during The Final Night. Durability should be a 7 too. Pfft.
Read the description at the top. It measures speed "over land." That is, how fast the character would be in an atmosphere over terrestrial ground. While the GLs COULD perhaps rip through space at faster-than-light speeds, they never do so in atmosphere.
Neither does Thor or Silver Surfer or anyone else in Marvel with a 7 for speed. Stats and handbooks don't measure what they do on a daily basis, they measure what they CAN do.
kyle seems to vary a lot in comics. your most likly right ion But I thought the same as piedmon on kyle.
as for other aurguments I think DC fans need to realize is that most people get confused with the dc charters power levels. Like me I have a few dc graphic novels (i'm mainly a marvel fan but I like DC too) and most of mine show DC charters lifting a moon in one panel and going down by getting hit by a rocket the next. (not an acutal example I'm just summerizing) so to me I can't tell where they are in power levels. If it's between the two then I would say malo and piedmon are pretty close.
You dont need to list her feats because i read Wonder woman and have been doing so for quite some time, however i stand by my original statement. Going by performance in that canon crossover, the only on panel reference we have to measure how the characters would fare against each other (and very important considering we're rating the DC characters with a Marvel ratings system), Wonder woman should not be a 7.
If we were to simply ignore that reference as youre doing then you would be right, she would be a 7.
You been far to generous with the durability, I doubt even Superman is a level 7 durability ..... Neither the Surfer or Count Nefaria are level 7's and Nefaria is immortal ! As Adam Whore lock explained, you cant be a level 7 durability with a weakness of some kind, and Superman has two ! Wonder woman, G.L are certainly not level 7's in durability !
Even with reference to the crossover i still think she is still a level 7, Spetznaz has shown various examples to demonstrate this ! you could make a case for the M.M. being a level 6 has he didn't really demonstrate his physical attributes in any of the four books !
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