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The celestials vs the beyonders

who wins?

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beyonders as they have infinite cosmic cubes


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true Beyonders are above the Celestials.

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True Beyonders don't exist. They're a term created here at KMC to discuss the pre-retcon Beyonder (during Secret Wars). If Marvel ever discusses a "true Beyonder" as opposed to the other retconned ones, I have yet to see the issue named.

The Beyonders were retconned into cosmic cubes. Celestials are quite a bit higher....same ballpark, but still a leg up on them.


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Wrong! The High Evolutionary went mad by discovering Beyonders superiority. TB wins the Celestials while the Celestial wins Cosmic Cube evolved beings.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
True Beyonders don't exist. They're a term created here at KMC to discuss the pre-retcon Beyonder (during Secret Wars). If Marvel ever discusses a "true Beyonder" as opposed to the other retconned ones, I have yet to see the issue named.

The Beyonders were retconned into cosmic cubes. Celestials are quite a bit higher....same ballpark, but still a leg up on them.


No clasic beyonder was retconned. True Beyonders still exist as beings whose dimension has enough energy to supply infinite cosmic cubes. A cosmic cube is like a sugar cube to them, insignificant (and tasty)


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Pepito is right again.

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But the classic Beyonder was ret conned

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Who weren't retconned were the True Beyonder

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
True Beyonders don't exist. They're a term created here at KMC to discuss the pre-retcon Beyonder (during Secret Wars). If Marvel ever discusses a "true Beyonder" as opposed to the other retconned ones, I have yet to see the issue named.

The Beyonders were retconned into cosmic cubes. Celestials are quite a bit higher....same ballpark, but still a leg up on them.


I'm afraid they're right, Digi. During Kronos' grand tour of the universe, he talked about Beyonder realm, and how they periodically create a cosmic cube for fun and send it out to see what happens.

Now, HOW powerful they are is subject to some question. But they exist.


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I'm afraid they're right, Digi. During Kronos' grand tour of the universe, he talked about Beyonder realm, and how they periodically create a cosmic cube for fun and send it out to see what happens.

Now, HOW powerful they are is subject to some question. But they exist.


Meh, fair enough. I had just never seen it explained on the boards, and that usually means BS. Glad to be more informed though.


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Here's the scan on the "true beyonders".

What it seems to IMPLY is that even Eternity is insignificant to the true Beyonders.

Thoughts?

Attachment: true beyonders.jpg
This has been downloaded 208 time(s).


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True Beyonders occupy the same sort of area as TOAA - they could be the most powerful things ever and completely above the comic universe and then again there's the possibility of them eventually being made into subsidiaries of soemthing else. They are definitely more powerful than Eternity but probably not more than TOAA.


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Meh, fair enough. I had just never seen it explained on the boards, and that usually means BS. Glad to be more informed though.


Well now you know

And knowing is half the battle.

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Wrong! The High Evolutionary went mad by discovering Beyonders superiority. TB wins the Celestials while the Celestial wins Cosmic Cube evolved beings.


Wasn't the High Evolutionary driven mad after witnessing the birth of a Celestial? I don't have the scan with me right now, but I do believe it says that in an issue of Warlock & the IW.

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What if the Beyonders are the Celestials? The beyonders exist in a reality beyond our comprehension and the Celestials are their avatars in our realm.

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What if the Beyonders are the Celestials? The beyonders exist in a reality beyond our comprehension and the Celestials are their avatars in our realm.

Unproven.

Everything that the Beyonder PROTENDED to do, the True Beyonders can actualy do.


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I'm afraid they're right, Digi. During Kronos' grand tour of the universe, he talked about Beyonder realm, and how they periodically create a cosmic cube for fun and send it out to see what happens.

Now, HOW powerful they are is subject to some question. But they exist.


They do. Power level, unknown

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Re: The celestials vs the beyonders

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who wins?


Celestials>Beyonders

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Celestials have been owned by lesser beings that the Beyonders.

Beyonders win this one.


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