Could three of Marvel's toughest female characters take down DC's toughest female character? It's Wonder Woman taking on Storm, Rogue, and The She-Hulk....in an all-out battle. The battle takes place in and around the Grand Canyon. There is no prep and the heat is on...so, do the Marvel beauties stand a chance against DC's Amazon princess???
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Wonder Woman shouldn't be allowed to "speed blitz"...don't know if that would even it out, but we all know thats the first thing fans bring up when she & Supes aren't fighting people like...well she and Supes...
Depends on how well they work as a team, Wonder Woman still has a really good chance to win of course...unless Rogue is feeling sinister and drains She-Hulk, since Jennifer is grounded & probably won't be doing much more than throwing stuff up at Diana...that would be an extra 100 tons & healing factor to Rouge's powers...if that happens I give it to Marvel's maidens, but if not I give it to Wonder Woman 6/10...
WW tore Superman's throat out by throwing her tiara at him.
What is Rogue et al going to do ....try to touch her and drain her energy while Storm throws lighting bolts and She Hulk throws boulders?
(By the way it would be highly imprudent for Rogue to try and 'drain' Wonderwoman, since that would mean actually coming close enough to touch her ....and it wouldn't be wise to do that to a warrior-princess with amazing fighting ability and the strength of a god. That is how heads get imploded).
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Last edited by spetznaz on Apr 25th, 2006 at 11:19 PM
Sage has tweaked Rogues power, so she can bring up any power that she has previously used If Storm used her powers over the weather I'm sure that it would daze Wonder Woman long enough, for She-Hulk to hold her, and Rogue to knock her out with a touch.
Wonder Woman isn't the strongest by a long shot, Binary is probably stronger, and Supergirl is by far stronger, not to mention any Daxamite female.
For one Wonderwoman is (arguably) not as strong as Supergirl, as you said, but that is like saying that a Ferrari Enzo is not as fast as a Bugatti Veyron. While that may be technically true, the Enzo is still in the top echelon of the TOP echelon of fast production vehicles (and for that matter a 'great' driver in an Enzo will beat a 'very good' driver in a Veyron everytime, since the times between the two are so small that skill is the predominant factor).
Skill .....which brings up the other comparison between WonderWoman and Supergirl.
Wonderwoman beat up Supergirl!
Because she has far superior skill and combat experience to Supergirl, and thus she trumps her (and because their physical parameters are analogous, even though NOT equal, Wonderwoman becomes an Enzo driven by a superior driver while Supergirl is a Veyron driven by a very good driver).
As to this fight .....WW faces off against SheHulk, Rogue and Storm.
Now, the team (under KMC rules) will be using all their strengths, abilities and faculties to bring down the Princess of Power.
Thus they will be out to get her and get her good.
HOWEVER Wonderwoman will ALSO be opting for the KMC rules, meaning that she will not be messing around and will be out to take them out pronto.
Hence the situation is not one of a dedicated team trying to take out a loafing Wonderwoman, but one of a dedicated team trying to take out a Wonderwoman who is also dedicated towards taking them out.
It is easy to see what Wonderwoman can do when she wants to take out someone.
For one she is not afraid to kill. Unlike Superman with his many moral qualms (which are actually Superman's greatest weakness ....not kryptonite or magic, but the fact that, as Batman put it, Superman is a 'good' person). Wonderwoman will snap a man's neck without reservation if it needs to be done, and thus such a character following KMC rules is not to be triffled with.
Secondly she is capable of inflicting serious harm to characters as high up as Superman (a tiara thrown by a person of Wonderwoman's strength, speed and magic imbuement tore Superman's throat like he was a snot-nosed punk).
Thirdly she is easily in the top-tier in the JLA in terms of fighting ability, in terms of strength, in terms of resilience, and in terms of speed.
Having her combative skills augmented by her superlative physical abilities and honed by her will to power and lack of moral issues in meeting out 'maximum punishment' gives a character that is essentially more dangerous than Superman (who would be a greater threat, but is a 'good' guy and is almost always holding back both in terms of powers and the ability to do what is necessary even if it means annihilation of an enemy).
You have Rogue (again ....to drain WW means touching her, and being able to touch WW means that WW can ALSO 'touch' Rogue. Touch her by throwing a haymaker that can pulverize coal to diamond).
You have She Hulk (who cannot even fly, and jumping straight at WonderWoman would only mean hitting empty air ....even if WW doesn't speedblitz).
And you have Storm.
The only way they can win against Wonderwoman is if she is jobbing or if she is just chilling out playing games with them.
Problem is she is following KMC rules.
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Last edited by spetznaz on Apr 26th, 2006 at 08:37 AM
Diana has been cut by Cheetah in every fight that they have been in, which leads me to believe that she is no match for a well written Supergirl, her body armor is leagues below Kara's, in fact I can name loads of character that are stronger than she is... Lobo, Valor, Bizarro, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Lar Gand, Ultra Boy, Supergirl, Doomsday, Validus, Mongul.. the list goes on and on. DC made an error when they said that Wonder Woman was second to Superman, all of the characters above show this error in vivid color.
Superman was jobbing in the fight that they had. If he braced himself the tiara would bounce right off of him, much like Doomsday breaking his knuckles while punching him in the chest.
Rogue's powers were tweaked by Sage, she can bring any of the powers that she once absorbed to the table, here's a few... Vargas, Hulk Thor, Juggernaut, Cyclops, Colossus, Wolverine, Night Crawler and I have to add that she can use more than one power... Gladiator... and he is most likely as fast as Diana in the air.
Storm, and Rogue have worked extensively together as teamates. Like I said before Cheetah has done bodily harm to Wonder Woman, time and again. A lightning blast will more than likely daze her long enough for She Hulk to hold her, and she has gotten much stronger than she was before... once this happens Rogue will add another power to her huge repetoire, sucessfully knocking her out.
You make it seem like Wonder Woman is unbeatable, the only one out of the three that her body armor is greater than is Storms, because Cheetah wouldn't do the damage to She-Hulks skin or Rogues the way she does to Diana's.
Well, there are a whole host of characters stronger than WonderWoman, but DC has never said she was second to Superman in the DCU. Only in the JLA.
The characters you put up are mostly stronger than Superman too, but again they are not in the JLA.
Most importantly Wonderwoman is not facing Lobo, Supergirl, Lar Gand, Doomsday, or Bizarro in this fight.
She is facing Rogue, Storm and SheHulk, who are many rungs below the list above in power, lethality and threat.
I'll touch on the Cheetah fight below.
Supergirl ....as I said on the other post Wonderwoman HAS beaten Supergirl before, and it was a well written fight.
I even explained why .....their power levels are analogous (not equal, but close enough that their respective skill sets take the forefront). Wonderwoman is arguably the most skilled fighter in the JLA .....Supergirl was a Kryptonian who spent most of her life in a catatonic state in some spaceship floating through space.
Goes back to the whole Great driver in an Enzo Ferrari versus a 'merely' very good driver in a Bugatti Veyron.
Wonderwoman owns Supergirl ....even though Supergirl is technically faster and stronger than she is.
Yes, you've brought the Cheetah up several times in your argument.
The extension of Cheetah's ability to meet out harm with Rogue's/Shehulk's/Storm's to do the same is not congruent.
Well, Cheetah is a being of magic (thanks to the god Urzkartaga) who also happens to have high level superspeed (thanks to Zoom).
She is NOT some lady in a cat suit like she used to be before PC.
Oh, and those claws that have done 'bodily harm to Wonderwoman time and again' are magic. She cut Superman just as easily.
You forget what magic does to Superman .....it makes him vulnerable. This is why he has always been able to be hurt by the likes of magic imbued characters like Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and WonderWoman, who have their powers granted via the gods.
This is why her tiara did not bounce off him (as a batarang thrown by Lobo would for example).
No I am not. There are very few unbeatable characters in comics (basically the Presence-level characters in DC and Marvel).
Wonderwoman can be beaten, and like Superman there is a WHOLE list of characters that are able to do so.
Thing is those characters do not include Storm, Rogue or SheHulk.
Again the Cheetah example.
Cheetah has cut SUPERMAN, thus I guess the only one whose 'body armor' Superman is greater than is Storm only according to the logic progression of your post? After all, the Cheetah has cut Superman too, then I guess the only person he is more resilient than is Storm and that Rogue and SheHulk have better body armor than he does. That is obviously not the case, but Cheetah has cut him.
Once again, the Cheetah is not Cat Woman in a spotted suit and a bad attitude. Unless you make Cat Woman have Zoom level speed, and you imbue her with magic from some long forgotten god.
A better test of Wonderwoman's 'body armor' is when Superman hurled her into the earth from space. She was up fighting him like it was a love tap.
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Couple days ago I picked up the WW issue where Supes is being mind-comtrolled by Max Lord. Supes attacks her, under the illusion she's DD and has just killed Lois. So, a bloodlusted Supes grabs her, flies her damn near the sun, and knocks her out. She plummets back to Earth (from the sun) and promptly gets up to continue fighting. she wasn't affected in the least by the coldness of space or the heat from being that close to the sun...Using that example of durability, neither She Hulk or Storm has anything that could even hurt WW. If Rogue can now recall anyone's power she's ever posessed, her fighting Diana solo would be interesting, minus speedblitzing from WW...I feel a new thread coming on...
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