I have this friend that persists that Phoenix and all its incarnations can beat Scarlet Witch. I say that he is crazy because Scarlet Witch changes *reality*/molecular structure of anything/prevent any form of telepathy against her/cast spells on self or others/change the past or present/alter probabilty/and even revive people from death like Quicksilver after Magneto pwned him. While Phoenix force cannot use its power without a host and a host with Phoenix force can't even use all its power without killing the host. Also I want to know how long did it take Phoenix to heal Jean Grey from radiation poisioning because he argues with me about how powerful she is and it took forever to do a small thing like that. Whereas Wanda revived Pietro quickly. But we been arguing back and forth and I even printed out this proof (SW controls causality itself, as Xavier said in Excalibur. That means anything that falls in the realm of possibility (which is EVERYTHING) falls under the control of Wanda. Her power reached throughout the universe, altering past and present. As a side effect of her power, she inadvertently tore open a hole between realities, and her power leaked through it, caused all kinds of destruction that collapsed countless universes (read the HoM issues of Uncanny X-men for details). The hole needed to be repaired or Wanda would have accidentally destroyed the multiverse - a greater feat of power than had ever been seen in the Marvel Universe.) and he still tries to defend Phoenix. I need everyones say on this defending Scarlet Witch because she is obviously more powerful. With comic book facts etc.
Big Sexy is right, Wanda is a corpse. Wanda's chaos wave was a side effect of her power, not sustained by it. Its like if u throw a rock in water, the waves are created by your action but you do not control the power and direction of the waves. Since then, the Phoenix has grown more powerful, back then, she and Jean had not completely merged yet. Wanda may control causality, but Jean is beyond causality. Nothing short of TOAA can bring her down. Jean can do everything Wanda can do...but better
The problem is you seemed to not know much of the Phoenix force. According to marvel continuity now she is the means of who will create the multiverse and who will destroy it. She completes this cycle and is the reason that beings like Galactus even exist. I know that their have been comics where she acts like a regular xman but she has held the 616 universe in her hand. Beings like the LT or Eternity give her respect which says a lot
Jean and Phoenix are one and the same, there can be no separating of the two. However, if u were to say Wanda vs. jean pre-final evolution, then of course Wanda would win
What I want to know is, what is Phoenix doing right now in the official storyline? And Scarlet Witch. Where can I find the plot canon guide to the entire x-men series. Me and this guy still going at it. I have to constantly tell him that Phoenix is getting her ass stomped to shards by Xorn and Magneto etc. I liked that picture with Phoenix getting that butt kicked. "jgg!!" pwnage. On top of that Xorn was ACCIDENTLY made by Wanda which beat Phoenix now thats power.
To diabloman: Scarlet Witch can seal her powers forever or even make Jean never be born by altering time, turn her in a roll of toilet paper, blast her to shreads, alter all realities on her. Or beat her senseless with that Captain America training LOL.
Yes scarlet witch can alter reality but how does that effect one who is above reality. Currently Phoenix is in the white hot room outside creation. I dont know where SW is.
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Phoenix's being killed by Xorn was needed, so that she could disinfect the future, it was even hinted at (in retrospect) right after she was killed and one of the Cuckoos said that something was wrong with gravity and time. If your talking about way back when, when she first appeared and the xmen fought Magneto, it's plain to see that even though her power was great she didn't have nearly as much experience as Magneto at the time, and in her arrogance underestimated his skill. Jean exists as the white Phoenix, she is in the white hot room, and that was off limits to the "chaos wave" Wanda caused, that's why Jamie transported Psylocke and Rachel there to escape it. If for some reason Wanda was allowed to seal Jean and her powers away forever and mess with time to make her never born, the Phoenix would bring her back as it exists outside of reality and apparently causality. When Jean began to manifest her Phoenix powers, her telepathy allowed her to burn through deception(attack on Emma Frost), Wandas reality warps are not a reshaping, just a coverup of what's there, even Layla Miller could see that and she's no Phoenix.
How exactly is she going to own her? By the time Wanda finishes saying, "No more Phoenix," Jean has already turned off Wanda's mutant ability, caused her heart to explode, makes Wanda say "No more Wanda" instead, or just turn her mind totally off (among other things).
And Phoenix has been shown in What Ifs to wish someone never existed and it happened. As an interesting note, when the Shiar lobotomized Jean Grey in a What If?, she was still able to to manifest her powers as Phoenix, so it appears to be a bit more difficult than trying to wish her away.
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