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Spectre & Eclipso vs Lords of Order and Chaos

Spectre
Eclipso

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Nabu
Shazzam
Mordu
M'Shulla
Gorrum
T'Char
Terataya


And before you go saying it would be a curbstomp check this qoute out.

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Re: Spectre & Eclipso vs Lords of Order and Chaos

Shazam? He's pretty far from being a Lord of Order. And I have to doubt any Lords of Chaos are Spectre-level being as Dr.Fate faces them all the time and I can't think of him ever coming across one as powerful as the Spectre. I don't recognize the last four names on that list but I could see enough Lords together overtaking the Spectre if they're Lords of Nabu range. And Shazam could fight Eclipso I guess.

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Shazzam was named a Lord of Order in Day of Vengance. And It's in a canon comic so it's true. Lords of Choas are Spectre level power. The reason Dr. Fate faces them down is becuase mostly they have to take corporal form in our realm, and are weakened by that.


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Where in Day of Vengeance is Shazam named a Lord of Order?

Dr.Fate is a corporeal form as well so the lord empowering him suffers from the same weakness. I was assuming each Lord was using a host here since that's the only way they can interact with anything on Earth.

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It's easy enough to assume that he meant Spectre level as in high end magic level, as opposed to teen with kung fu skills and a staff level. I doubt Tim can really grasp the power of either of them truly. Spectre's beat them before. Even they understand he is beyond them.


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In the DoV IC Special Nabu states that Shazam was one of the Lords of Order.

Anyway, Spectre without the backing from the Presence, just drawing upon ambient magic destroyed all of the Lords. The Spectre is one of the more powerful DC Angels, although when he manifests inside a Creation he is weakened quite a bit as all the Angels are in order to protect Creation from their presence.

This is a easy victory for Spectre and Eclipso.


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Where in the Special?

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I can only guess this is it.

"We were working together, Shazam and I and all of the great lords...".

If so, that's being taken out of context. He's not calling Shazam a Lord, he's saying Shazam was with him and the Lords. Shazam is a human being just like Captain Marvel.

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I never said the battle took place on earth. And I would assume Tim knows of what he speaks, he gets his info from Bats, whos literally been to hell and back.


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The Spectre and Eclipso win, but it does take them some time (they are nothing to sneeze at). I am beginning to wonder why people say The Spectre is weaker without a host blink . He has done crazy things just by himself. The host joined with him does show him the human way of going around about giving out vengeance. But still without a host the Spectre is near unbeatable. It looks to me like a hostless Spectre is more powerful and dangerous then 1 that has a host... smokin'


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I can only guess this is it.

"We were working together, Shazam and I and all of the great lords...".

If so, that's being taken out of context. He's not calling Shazam a Lord, he's saying Shazam was with him and the Lords. Shazam is a human being just like Captain Marvel.


The wizard Shazam IS a Lord of Order. Nabu is the highest of Order, but Shazam isnt too far under him.


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the spectre wins on his own


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The wizard Shazam IS a Lord of Order. Nabu is the highest of Order, but Shazam isnt too far under him.



Shazam is not a Lord of Order. He's a human being born and raised in Canaan. And was nowhere near the power of Nabu.

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Shazam is not a Lord of Order. He's a human being born and raised in Canaan. And was nowhere near the power of Nabu.


Shazam is a Lord of Order he's not on Nabu's level though I have the comic when I get home I can quote where it says that he's one.

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Spectre tore them all apart once , he does it again ..only quicker.


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Spectre tore them all apart once , he does it again ..only quicker.



He took them on one on one, this time they are all united against him.

He and Eclipso might win. But I think is a 6/10.

All together these lords can summon some pretty powerfull magic.


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He took them on one on one, this time they are all united against him.

He and Eclipso might win. But I think is a 6/10.

All together these lords can summon some pretty powerfull magic.
there is really no way they can beat the wrath of god, as i said spectre can win on his own


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Well according to DC as seen in the clip above the Lords of Chaos like M'Shulla are on the same level of power as the spectre.


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Well according to DC as seen in the clip above the Lords of Chaos like M'Shulla are on the same level of power as the spectre.
hmmm on the same level as god's wrath? that dosent really make any sense, but spectre can beat them the same way he has beaten fate before

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hmmm on the same level as god's wrath? that dosent really make any sense, but spectre can beat them the same way he has beaten fate before

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Well according to DC they are as you can see by my scan there. And that was a one on one fight. This isn't.


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