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marvel_monkey
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venom (Brock) vs. Thing

To the death.....

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Jan 2nd, 2007 10:58 PM

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Ben would probably win out after a while, unless Venom goes for the French Kiss of Doom like he did last time.

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:10 PM

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I'm pretty positive venom would clobber thing... the end.

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How so? Ben's got a clear advantage in strength and durability, not to mention the fact that Ben can probably fight longer.

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:38 PM

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Its so cause he's almost killed Ben before. In a slugfest Thing wins but in an anything goes match Venom is just way too versatile

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Tongue suffocation? Didn't they try to say in that crap comic that his tongue had a mind of it's own?

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:41 PM

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How so? Ben's got a clear advantage in strength and durability, not to mention the fact that Ben can probably fight longer.

well let's see here....

venom has class 40 to 50 strength (before brock offed himself)... that's more than enough strength to toe to toe it with thing...

secondly, venom's got the webbing... he can blast thing with webbing till thing can't move...

third there's the "i can move faster than a speeding bullet" symbiotic tendrils that venom has, not only can they invade every pore and orriface in thing's rocky hide, but they can mess with his brain...
make him see nightmares, delusions etc etc...

venom's got the agility and the reflexes to keep out of things hands..

hes got the durability to take it to thing for a good long while in a slugfest... to use juggernaught as a comparison, venom's even got the edge in durability.. he took a long barrage of hits from juggy and still got up.. thing took 3 and fell to the floor....

then venom's got his bite.. venomous enough to erode sandman and his rocky structure with ease.. what might it do to ben?

camo-made how would ben find him?

a healing factor...

I just don't see how the thing is going to score the majority against an opponent who's as versatile as venom... thing might get a couple KOes here and there but the majority of the time venom beats him and eats him.

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:53 PM

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Tongue suffocation? Didn't they try to say in that crap comic that his tongue had a mind of it's own?

they did... crap comic? that's the sole event that the ENTIRE venom series was based on....

the evolution of the symbiote..

the ability to think for itself to neglect the need for a host like eddie...

hell in that comic the symbiote even tapped into unheard of powers.. if negated all it's weaknesses except for plasma weapons (and ben doesn't have any of those) and it even gained some degree of telepathic ability.

you honestly think things ready for that kind of villain?

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:55 PM

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Good stuff. Guess I'm just not giving one of my favorite characters enough credit. sad

Anywho, I wouldn't put him at lifting 40 tons. Maybe 30 or 35.

I'm pretty sure this Bulldozer lift is his best one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...362Large-08.jpg

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Jan 2nd, 2007 11:59 PM

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Good stuff. Guess I'm just not giving one of my favorite characters enough credit.

Anywho, I wouldn't put him at lifting 40 tons. Maybe 30 or 35.

I'm pretty sure this Bulldozer lift is his best one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...362Large-08.jpg

that was an early venom feat.. and it was well before venom merged with himself at the end of his ongoing title. the next time spiderman fought venom spiderman compared his strengths levels to that of thing oddly enough.

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:13 AM

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What was he lifting at that point? I remember him throwing the ambulance, and taking the tanker to the chest. What else was there?

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:27 AM

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id say venom takes the majority, i mean, if Wolverine can beat Thing, then so can Venom

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I dunno, but what size bulldozer was that? They can often range in weight from as few as ten tons to well over a hundred.

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Probably a bit bigger than a Caterpillar D9

He also lifted a bus casually and had a full conversation with Spider-man before. It was kinda funny.

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:32 AM

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What was he lifting at that point? I remember him throwing the ambulance, and taking the tanker to the chest. What else was there?

he wasn't lifting anything... I'm pretty sure peter was comparing their stopping power.

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Probably a bit bigger than a Caterpillar D9

He also lifted a bus casually and had a full conversation with Spider-man before. It was kinda funny.

Bigger than a D9? Aren't those things around fifty tons? And you're arguing that he can't lift fourty? erm

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I remember the bus thing, that was pretty hilarious.

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The D9 is the fifty tonner? I thought it was a smaller model.

Oops.

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he wasn't lifting anything... I'm pretty sure peter was comparing their stopping power.

Pete's comparison's aren't that great though. I don't think Morlun has as much power as Hulk.

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:36 AM

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The D9 is the fifty tonner? I thought it was a smaller model.

Oops.

Pete's comparison's aren't that great though. I don't think Morlun has as much power as Hulk.

morlun doesn't... however he probably felt like he did on account that each blow was draining peter's very lifeforce upon contact...

that's not really a good example of a bad comparison due to the extra circumstances.

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:39 AM

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Eh, true enough. I kinda think that may have been JMS's original intention though. erm

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Jan 3rd, 2007 12:46 AM

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well let's see here....

venom has class 40 to 50 strength (before brock offed himself)... that's more than enough strength to toe to toe it with thing...

hes got the durability to take it to thing for a good long while in a slugfest... to use juggernaught as a comparison, venom's even got the edge in durability.. he took a long barrage of hits from juggy and still got up.. thing took 3 and fell to the floor....

Ben is Class 90-100 no expression