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Iron Fist versus Dare Devil

Who wins?


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good fight, i say DD barely takes it though. i mean, i would say hes one of the few who could evade the Iron Fist because of his senses. and then he coul employ a nerve strike which should work well. Daredevil 6/10

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Re: Iron Fist versus Dare Devil

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Who wins?


dd 7.5/10


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old thread, i say DD though.

much smarter, and a better h2h combatnant

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IF takes this

He can amp up his:

H2H abilities to phenomenal levels
Strength to >50 ton levels
Speed to genuine bullet-dodging levels

He can give himself pre-cog, etc.

DD loses

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IF can, but then he passes out stick out tongue

but really
it does tax him quite a bit and DD knows this. hes not as good a fighter as DD, regardless of chi amping, but in those cases of chi amping, i can see him wining a few if DD isint planning accordingly. Unlikely though, and thast why im in favor of DD

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It taxes him, but if he collapses from exhaustion after DD's skull is smashed, he still wins.

It's not like DD can avoid him for long when IF has every single physical edge.

And his fighting IS superior to DD. Especially when chi amped.

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It taxes him, but if he collapses from exhaustion after DD's skull is smashed, he still wins.

It's not like DD can avoid him for long when IF has every single physical edge.

And his fighting IS superior to DD. Especially when chi amped.


Well, the way i see it

if you take DD and IF and have them fight as is

DD wins simply becuase he has the pre-emptive where as IF doesnt (and im talking about his ability to feel movements), thats not includeing some minor physical differences

that alone gives him a win in a NORMAL, h2h situation. Now include IF's chi amping and it does get alot harder for DD, ill admit. At the same time DD is very aware of Iron fists chi amping abilities and has dodged the iron fist before. Not that it was the entire.. whats the word?

entire

essense? of the iron fist technique (as in stat boosting)

regardless, DD is going to think of this coming into the fight
So either Iron fist goes all out as soon as the fight starts and DD is forced to evade for the time being (and danny isint the most intelligent fighter either) Or IF toughs it out and tries to be a bit more "modest" with his technique, and IMO, either way hes more likely to lose simply becuse hes not as good a fighter as DD, and i wouldent put it past DD to be able to evade IF atleast long enough for him to be taxed of his strength, especialyl considering all the crazy city adventureing he somehow does with his billyclub string.. jumprope, thing

But in the former scneario (full chi amping) is where i could see DD running into the most problems as any errors on his part might be fatal ones

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IF takes this

He can amp up his:
Strength to >50 ton levels
He can give himself pre-cog, etc.


Damn really!? Any scans of Danny acting like a heavy weight?

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I'm reviving this one since the other one was closed for its obvious reasons.

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Fist has used the clubs before, and pretty well at that. I dont know about you, but i sure as hell thought this was Matt. And im sure im not the only one who thought either Matt was escaping prison or it was Fist because he knows Matts style so well. When they fight, i really cant tell the difference. But im sure you could.



The fact that he's using DD's fighting style and losing compared to his last fights when they were more equals shows that it didn't aid him to well. Look at there past fights, but hey I guess its so illogical to say since DD has used his "style" all his life and Danny has used his "style" all his life. It so obvious that Danny can equally use DD's style as good as he does.

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Because Fist CHOSE not to use the clubs, doesnt mean he was hindered in that fight.


Sure it does. DD stated his first mistake was not using the clubs. But hey I guess you know more then the writer and DD. And I guess you ignore that past encounters when he didn't use DD's style.


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Matt was chasing/looking for the imposter around the city. His hearing and smell being disoriented hindered hm in that scenario. Once he found the imposter, his sense of hearing and smell were irrelevant. Hell, he wasnt trying to hear what the imposter was saying anyways because he was in such a rage and his heart was beating to loud. How often does Daredevil rely on hearing muscle tightening and changinig when in h2h? if youre a Daredevil reader, youd know that he doesnt do that to often, save for when hes fighting someone physically superior to him, like Spiderman, Hyde, etc. Doing that against regular street thugs and opponents like Cap, Punisher, Wolverine, etc is highly rare, and i know you know that.



Fact of the matter is he can use hearing and to aid him for anticipation. That fact that he couldn't the fact he was disoriented as well still means he was hindered. No matter how you put it or say it. You do know what disoriented means do you? Look it up it might help you. But if you don't want to do that here's a brief definitions.

1.Having lost bearings....feeling lost or confused especially with regard to direction or position.

2.Confused not understanding clearly.

Yeah and you think he's in peak form, yeah right.

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He didnt need to remind us? Ummm, being rusty wasnt mentioned for over 10 issues, lol. You didnt prove he was rusty at all at the time of his encounter with Iron Fist. All you proved is that once traveling in the city, his hearing and smelling was messed up slightly. That didnt hinder his fighting ability with Iron Fist at all. I have no evidence of what? Matt not beng rusty?

This is matts FIRSt fight in over a month. He mentions being rusty at first due to no practice and no sleep, and saying that they'll do.


Didn't have to he didn't have time to train in all his jail time as stated. Just because he's making due with being hindered doesn't mean hes not rusty. You've never seen a hero handicapped and still pull through. Its almost a hero staple to do that. Plus the immediate issue after when he finally was released from prison he immediately looked for the impostor DD. 10 issues of jail solidify the fact he didn't get much sleep and practice as DD stated it himself. Just because in the scans he looks like he's fighting normally doesn't make it so. Hell Captain America when he didn't have the SSS defeated Crossbones and made it looked like he wasn't handicapped.

But hey I guess you know more then DD statements/evidence.


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Now, that he got the rust off, he continues to whoops ass. Arms and legs broken and several teeth missing. But to you, hes rusty right?



Covered above.

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Damn really!? Any scans of Danny acting like a heavy weight?


Still no proof of Danny being a class 50

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Still no proof of Danny being a class 50


He is saying Danny can hit with the force of one, not lift that much.


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dd 7.5/10


no

Danny should win


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Still no proof of Danny being a class 50

Please, Danny can hit with the force of a couple 100 tonners. He punches so hard he once destroyed Vibranium. Hulk can't even do that.

One hit and DD is dead.


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no

Danny should win

Should? Hell, he can't lose.

DD is faster, but not NEARLY fast enough to never be hit once by IF. Not to mention the fact Danny is superhumanly durable and has superhuman endurance and a decent healing factor.


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Should? Hell, he can't lose.

DD is faster, but not NEARLY fast enough to never be hit once by IF. Not to mention the fact Danny is superhumanly durable and has superhuman endurance and a decent healing factor.


Do u think Danny can k/o Thor? Its rumored, they may fight


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Do u think Danny can k/o Thor? Its rumored, they may fight



Really?


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Really?


Its a really strong rumor


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Do u think Danny can k/o Thor? Its rumored, they may fight

If he was allowed a clean couple shots? Maybe. Thor isn't that durable, really. He's been cut by a shaving razor...as well as being stabbed by a regular knife wielded by Zaniac, the class 10 guy whos only superpowers were super strength and, apparently, a talent for stabbing Gods of Thunder .

He's k.o'd the Hulk twice I think with a single punch. It was either Hulk or Abomination. I can't remember.


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