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Apokolips vs Thanos

I'm curious to see what opinions on this are.

Let us say that Darkseid and Thanos are made aware of each others' presence. Seeing the threat in each other, they gird for war. Due to some cosmic quirk, they are unable to cross into each other's universe for one year. However, they can gather data from the other universe through various means.

So this gives them each a year to plan, plot, and build up their armies and siege engines for the coming conflict.

What they cannot do is use omnipotent power points like the Worlogog or the Infinity Gauntlet or whatever. It all has to be stuff created by their science or it has to be people that would likely help him/work for him (ie, perhaps Thanos again gains control of the supervillain team he used in Secret Defenders, maybe Darkseid uses the Secret Society of Supervillains or any number of his minions).

Who takes it?

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Thanos is ****ed. Darkseid is much better at the army game and his resources are much greater than those of Thanos.

And giving DS access to teams is unfair. He founded the Secret Society, the Deep Six, the female furies, and his own Elites.


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Thanos is screwed. None of his tech can mess with Tech that can actually freeze in Time and Space a being wielding the Godwave. Hell that kind of power is a match for the IG. And DS own tech pwned it for a time.


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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thanos is ****ed. Darkseid is much better at the army game and his resources are much greater than those of Thanos.

And giving DS access to teams is unfair. He founded the Secret Society, the Deep Six, the female furies, and his own Elites.


The Deep Six, Female Furies, his own elites...these are his underlings. In any war scenario, they are going to be playing a heavy role. I don't see how one could not give him access.

Thanos created a team of villains for the secret defenders that was a good bit more powerful than the Secret Society was, plus the argument might be made that the infinity watch (or whatever members remain around) might help him out, given that Darkseid himself isn't a great guy.

Remember, Thanos at one point had control over a huge fleet of pirates. His name carries enough weight that Nebula was able to gain a similar fleet just by claiming to be his grand daughter.

I'm interested to see if anyone can or will argue for Thanos.

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The Deep Six, Female Furies, his own elites...these are his underlings. In any war scenario, they are going to be playing a heavy role. I don't see how one could not give him access.

Thanos created a team of villains for the secret defenders that was a good bit more powerful than the Secret Society was, plus the argument might be made that the infinity watch (or whatever members remain around) might help him out, given that Darkseid himself isn't a great guy.

Remember, Thanos at one point had control over a huge fleet of pirates. His name carries enough weight that Nebula was able to gain a similar fleet just by claiming to be his grand daughter.

I'm interested to see if anyone can or will argue for Thanos.


Thanos isn't that good on his own. He's always needing some outside powerup, or using others to his own ends. I have yet to see him accomplish much with just his own tech, and his own resources. It's always a trick to him.


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Thanos made Omega,the Galactus Clone.I'm sure in a year he can make a hand full of those things.


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Thanos made Omega,the Galactus Clone.I'm sure in a year he can make a hand full of those things.


And in a year, DS could freeze all of them in time and space with no effort. Give all of his parademons stayne like power.


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So Stayne = Galactus?


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Thanos made Omega,the Galactus Clone.I'm sure in a year he can make a hand full of those things.


Didn't he use the IG to get Galactus's DNA? 2nd, why did Galactus have DNA in the first place? 3rd, Darkseid made the Entropy Aegis. Aegis>Omega.


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Didn't he use the IG to get Galactus's DNA? 2nd, why did Galactus have DNA in the first place? 3rd, Darkseid made the Entropy Aegis. Aegis>Omega.

I don't know all the mother****ing details!


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I don't know all the mother****ing details!


Ok! I won't ask you for the mother****ing details! wink


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Thanos is the prep god. In his record, three Marvel Universe.
With one year, he stand a good chance to kick the ass of Darkseid.
I run with the purple one. Thanos is the man.


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Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Thanos made Omega,the Galactus Clone.I'm sure in a year he can make a hand full of those things.

Smart^

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Didn't he use the IG to get Galactus's DNA? 2nd, why did Galactus have DNA in the first place? 3rd, Darkseid made the Entropy Aegis. Aegis>Omega.

He dosnet need the IG if he has the DNA to begin with.
And Omega> Galactus
what makes u believe the Entropy Aegis> Galactus to begin with?

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Thanos made Omega,the Galactus Clone.I'm sure in a year he can make a hand full of those things.


It is true, he did do that.

BUT, it was an uncontrollable creature. As were all of his clones. He could unleash them against Apokolips, but there is no guarantee that they would just backfire on him and attack him and his own troops.

Ultimately Thanos needed help to defeat them, after all.

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Didn't Galactus - errrm - excuse me, imperiex turn the entropy aegis to slag?


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Didn't Galactus - errrm - excuse me, imperiex turn the entropy aegis to slag?


Hmm, no, I don't think he did.

Its been a while since I've read OWAW, but as I recall it was still in full operation long after, and was only "used up" in a fight against Darkseid and company in Apok Now.

Isn't that right?

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And in a year, DS could freeze all of them in time and space with no effort. Give all of his parademons stayne like power.

Um, How could Darkseid beat an Army of Creatures that are 2x Galactus when he lost fighting just the original?


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Um, How could Darkseid beat an Army of Creatures that are 2x Galactus when he lost fighting just the original?


I think a better question, in the context of this thread, is how could Thanos control such a creature, when he was nearly killed trying to get the last one under control?

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I think a better question, in the context of this thread, is how could Thanos control such a creature, when he was nearly killed trying to get the last one under control?


do you think in a year thanos could perfect his tech to the point to where he could gain control?

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Or not give them a will of their own....


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