Battlezone Match: Akuki vs. Phenomenol match thread
The match starts now and will last until Thursday at midnight pacific coast time.
Phenomenol is able to use goku at the end of DBZ and if he can prove that the anime is canon then he is able to use the anime as well for feats.
I will be repping D.S. with the judas pain.
The current judges are: Trickster Priest, SnazzySmurph, and Soljer
May the best man win.
No one except the combatants and judges should participate in the thread.
Ok, Phenom seems to be being slow so i'll just put up so preliminary pieces of information.
1. Dark Schneider is an absolute master of sorcery and even before he achieved his judas pain form.
Here's a couple of his most impressive spells that he had prior to that form:
Venom:summons destructive enzymes that eat off all the flesh of an opponent http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/977/spellbookjg8.jpg
7 keys of the guardian gods: produces a powerful beam attack that functions much like a particle accelerator, and the beam carries 10MeV of energy. http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2684/spell8ey2.jpg
^ on the third scan – a translation from the Japanese original has shown that the speed DS moves at isn’t exactly specified. It is actually only referred to as “very high speed” but taking into account that even a Seraphim has troubles following the fight, they must move incredibly fast. I will post the original japanese version of that page so that Tricksterpriest can verify this. Plus the fact that it's impossible to move at sound speed and yet strike thousands of times per second.
Ok a bit more:
Dark Schndeider possesses both insane regeneration abilities, but he also can't be destroyed unless his eternal atoms are destroyed. Even before the Judas pain he was able to keep functioning as just a talking head and regenerate from that.
Here's an example of his regeneration against Uriel where he easily reforms his head. (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Dark Schneider also has the ability to summon and use a larger more powerful construct called the Dragon Knight. When the beams of this construct and fallen Uriel's Augeiodes form collided they resulted in the shattering of the lesser dimension that they were in, while they remained unharmed.
Just to give a sense of size, he's a speck in that thing's eye. Blast exchange with an opponent (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Same blasting shattering the dimension they are in (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Dark Schnieder and Opponent emerging nearly unscathed in other reality (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) [/B][/QUOTE]
Please stop spamming a match thread. Also the manga is allowed rule was established awhile back when Grey Fox asked Darthgoober if he could use Alucard in the battlezone and got permission to do so.
Ok to sum up the points that Phenomenol has made so far:
1) He continues to cling to the belief that one mistranslated scan shows that D.S. is sound speed. This is despite the fact that
A) I have pointed out that the scan is mistranslated, and provided the original for our japanese speaker TP to examine. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e...astard22_41.jpg [/B]
B) I have provided a scan from the databook which clearly states that the seraphim class of angels can go faster than light and can destroy planets. (Focus on the underlined section. If you choose not to believe me, it should be easy enough to input that into babelfish) http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seraphsjk0.jpg
C) As I already stated multiple times, there is consistent evidence of galaxy busting power levels in Bastard!! If you don't trust my translations here's link to where I received the translations from Aldric, a member of one of the main translating groups for Bastard!! http://forums.narutofan.com:80/showthread.php?t=282796
In these scans the archangel michael states that Fallen Uriel could "crush the galaxy" and that his attack power exceeds that of all the other Seraphim, (keep in mind Michael has an attack with the power of a Supernova)
D) First of all I have watched episode 219 on my computer and what he posted isn't even episode 219. In addition to this even if you can consider the anime canon at some points whenever it comes into conflict with the manga, the manga should be taken more seriously as the manga is the source material. In the manga is states that, "in only a few YEARS he destroyed hundreds of PLANETS" http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/...enomenoliu1.gif
E) He continues to insist that to apply a ridiculous double standard to his power feats. He insists that the following scan in which D.S. and fallen Uriel shatter the dimensional walls seperating Hell from earth with the power of their blasts and following fight only demonstrate town busting power levels since the town in the background survives, yet continues to claim that Buu is a galaxy buster even though in his fight with Goku no major damage was inflicted on the planet. (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Same blasting shattering the dimension they are in (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Dark Schnieder and Opponent emerging nearly unscathed in other reality (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) [/B][/QUOTE]
F) He continues to ignore evidence of Dark Schneider's extremely powerful regen against Planet busting opponents, and has repeatedly claimed that a single planet busting attack would be enough to destroy D.S.
Here's an example of his regeneration against Uriel where he easily reforms his head. (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Now Here's what Phenom is claiming about this scan
Ok first of all how does it not show the destruction of a planet? First of all just look at what he posted it specifically talks about Satan, "ravage all of existence" In fact if you look at the size of Satan in the scan, Satan is able to cover ALMOST ALL OF THE GALAXY. Also if you look at the scan he questioned simply look at the center of the picture a bit towards the bottom, you can clearly see a planet being shattered as he's moving. (please log in to view the image)
BTW Phenom, what are you using to get the translations you are posting?
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Last edited by Akuki on Oct 16th, 2007 at 09:54 PM
If you watch the episode in English not only does your interpretation go directly against the manga, but if you look at the point directly before your quotes it shows planets being blown up individually and the dialogue heavily indicates that this destruction is taking place over an extended period of time.
If you watch the episode in English not only does your interpretation go directly against the manga, but if you look at the point directly before your quotes it shows planets being blown up individually and the dialogue heavily indicates that this destruction is taking place over an extended period of time.
In addition to this even if he does manage to break through(which he can't) he still has to destroy D.S. For Goku this would be impossible because if you examine the scan it specifically says that they are targeting "infinity atoms that make up the core of both their existences." What are these infinity atoms and why are they important? As the scan says, they are the core of each of their existences, and so long as they are intact they can regenerate themselves easily(for example when D.S. regenerated his head). The reason these things would be impossible for Goku to destroy is that they exist on 3 seperate planes of existence: the physical plane, the astral plane, and the plane of the soul.
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The scan was grossly mistranslated. DS is going far above supersonic speed. I'm having trouble making out the kanji because there's some blurring going on at the part I need to translate. But it is at least lightspeed.
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Ok here's proof of why Goku has no chance of putting down Darshu.
In regards to the infinity atoms it says:
page 9 of Bastard!! vol 20:
"In a fight between human beings, to kill one's opponent means destroying his physical body. However, for creatures like angels and demons with powerful regenerative powers (atomic reconstitution, spatio-temporal regeneration), killing the enemy isn't simply a matter of physically destroying the material body. The complete annihilation of its true form, astral body (spirit) and ethereal body (soul) is needed."
As you can see in order to destroy Dark Schneider Goku needs to have the ability to destroy him on the different planes of existence, the physical, the astral, and the soul. We have clear proof from the DBZ manga and anime that no Ki attacks destroy the soul as we often see Goku's soul moving around in the spirit realm after he is killed by ki attacks and this is an integral portion of both anime and manga storylines.
Therefore in conclusion Dark Schneider wins an easy victory for these reasons:
1) He moves at faster than light speeds, while Phenomenol has failed to provide any evidence that Goku is anywhere near that.
2) He can take attacks from planent busting opponents easily and even if Goku can get though 10 maybe even twenty of his outside shields D.S. has thousands of them and is constantly regenerating them.
3) D.S. has attacks that match the power of someone who was confirmed as galaxy buster level by multiple reliable sources.
4) In order to permanently take out D.S. and overcome his regeneration he needs to be attacked on three seperate plains of existence, two of which it is highly doubtful that Goku could do anything to. In short D.S.'s possesses the most powerful regeneration ability I've ever heard of.
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